Why is the M-1100 still made?!

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What's wrong with the 11-87?

Nothing at all.

I use mine to shoot clays every weekend. Never had a jam. Cycles everything I've put in it.

I love mine!
 
Because Remington 1100 is a trusted name that has been around for 50 years. Remington 11-87 sounds like something made up by Joe the accountant in the back room.

People on this board crack me up. :D This implies that when the 1100 was new fifty years ago, it was an unproven gun and therefore a POS???? It has to be around 50 years to be a great gun? There cannot be a new design that's better? I'm sure the 1911 was a "new fangled POS" when it first came out, too.

80 percent of my shotgunning is with 3" ammo. Steel shot laws have seen to that. I ain't gonna buy another 2 3/4" chambered gun, gotta shoot 3" or I don't want it. If I do ever have the money for a new auto, it'll have to shoot 3". I had been thinking of getting a 3.5", but I don't hunt geese all that often, so when I do, I can afford to shoot Federal Tungsten-iron which put the sting back in the 12 gauge 3" for geese. Expensive, but if you're not shooting that many, not a big deal.

I hunt. That's what I do. Can't eat clay pigeons. A muzzle heavy gun is not a hindrance in the marsh. It doesn't have to come to the shoulder all that fast on ducks, but must swing smoothly. I think that is the roll of the 11-87 and if I buy a Remington auto I will choose the 11-87 over the 1100. Personal choice, but it's a better waterfowl gun and I am a waterfowl hunter, have been for 40 years now. It's one of the few things you can hunt down here and not have to be a millionaire, how I got into it in the first place.

For most folks, though, I'm sure the lighter, less muzzle heavy feel of the 1100 is better for playing games or shooting upland birds. I have never hunted quail over dogs, never had the chance, not a rich man. We have no other upland game down here other than dove and what works on ducks also will work on doves. I have a Winchester 1400 with 2 3/4 inch chamber for doves. It's a decent gun, was cheap. It's not up to the 1100 for quality and don't have no engraving, as if that matters in the field, but it's a good shootin' gun. I've been using it for about 15 years now, softer on the shoulder than my pump. Wish I'd gotten it in 20 gauge, but the 12 is fine.
 
Here, it's a lot easier and cheaper for someone with average means to hunt quail than waterfowl.
 
Here, it's a lot easier and cheaper for someone with average means to hunt quail than waterfowl.

Up in WI, I can succesfully hunt grouse and woodcock without a dog. It's about the least expensive form of hunting I know. However, for ducks and geese, I've got a canoe, a bunch of dekes, heavy-duty wet/cold-weather gear, waders, etc... And I'm operating on a shoestring compared to a lot of guys.
 
We have lots of public lands and there is the Texas tideland thing, too. If the land floods at mean tide, it's public. I just hunt the TP&W public area near me, though. I have hunted an area up at the head of Lavaca Bay the locals call "the Bonal" a lot, but it's so much easier not having to use the boat. We have two areas near my home where you just drive up, sign in, drive to your hunting area, and walk to the pot hole. And, the hunting is excellent.

Any upland hunting requires private property/lease and dogs which I've never had. I do hunt doves on my little place and I have some quail down there that I've never hunted due to lack of dogs. A guided quail hunt is around $150 a morning. I've never done one. I had a lease for a few years for birds not far from here, little over 700 acres of farm land. It had quail, lots of dove, and geese on it. I've since dropped it. I was in a hunting club for a while and hunted a lot of geese in that and chased scaled quail out in west Texas a few times. Don't take a dog to shoot scaled quail. In fact, they'll run a dog to death. LOL!

Costs me $48 a year for a public hunting permit. I've done some of the best duck hunting in the country down here and it only cost me the ammo and maybe boat gas. If anyone is in the coastal bend area of Texas during hunting season and has a hankerin' to shoot ducks, just PM me and maybe we can set somethin' up. :D Some day, I'd like to try pheasant hunting. There ain't a huntable pheasant withint 300 miles of here, though. There were a few let loose around and I saw one cross the road in front of me 22 years ago on the highway, but I think the fire ants killed 'em off. They've played havoc with the quail, too, any ground nesting bird.

Got a dove hunt planned with a friend who has a farm north of Waco. We went to college together, was my best man when I was married. We've been pursuing a living all these years, but we're going to get together like the old days this fall. I'm quite lookin' forward to that. :D
 
"This implies that when the 1100 was new fifty years ago, it was an unproven gun and therefore a POS????"

Well, yeah, as I remember it. At least for the first month or two. :) Same with the 870.

FWIW, I like the feel of the 1100 much more than the 11-87. A whole lot more. For a duck gun I'll take my nearly 8# 3.5" synthetic SX-2 over both of them and just shoot the shorter length shells.

John
 
For a brief period Remington "stopped" making the 1100 and tried to replace it with the 11-87 and then returned to the 1100. They would have done well to stick with the 1100 for targets and the 11/87 for hunting. Now there are permutations in both designations which is very confusing. :confused:

One of the advantages of the 1100 is the availability in subguages. The 1100 is the only gas gun being made today in 28 and .410.

In 12 and 20 I think there are better semi-autos than Remington products but until which time Beretta brings out the 391 in 28 or .410 Remington remains the only subgauge game in town.
 
They would have done well to stick with the 1100 for targets and the 11/87 for hunting.

What I don't get is why they didn't just add the gas valve to the 1100.

Anyone know?

The new 1100 G3 has the feature, so clearly it's possible.
 
I don't think the 1100 needs a gas valve - it would probably just add weight out front, ruin the balance and end up feeling more like an 11-87. My 1100 shoots 2.75" lead field loads and 2.75" Hevi-Shot loads for ducks and geese. And slugs. You could call me old fashioned, but the stocks are black plastic.

I only bought a 3.5" SX-2 because, well do I need a reason?, it was like new and only a little over $700. And the DuraTouch finish on the camo is a miracle of engineering when the gun is dry and priceless when the gun is wet.

John
 
Nothing wrong with a manufacturer having TWO different models of semiauto shotguns to offer the public.

The 1100 was too useful to die, but Remington also needed a gun that could fire a mix of shells for the one gun hunter.
 
AFAIK, Remington did make versions of the 11-87 for clay shooting. Clay shooters and 3-gunners wanted the 1100 instead. So Remington offered the 1100 as its target model again, dropped the target 11-87s, and shifted the emphasis of the 11-87 to hunting only.

Shotguns are like golf clubs. If the thing works for you with no trouble, and the geometry and balance are just perfect for you, then you couldn't care less about what "better" clubs are on the market. Why would you? So clay shooters kept wanting 1100s. They work.

Again, Remington did not make the 12 Gauge Field model for a long time; they just started making it again. They made 1100 target-oriented models (Classic Trap, Skeet, Sporting, Comp Master) in 12, and guns in the less common gauges where larger hunting shells are a non-issue.

My wild guess is that they've started making the 1100 Field and Tactical models because they're looking to phase in an updated 1100 as their NEXT all-steel semiauto. The G3 is another strong bit of evidence for this.

My wild guess is that Remington will offer a growing number of 1100s, but with more varied features, including a gas valve in some, and some more hunting-oriented models. They may even phase out the 11-87 line, depending on sales, though some new "1100" models may be very similar to the 11-87...

Still, check out the 105CTi if you have a chance. Nice gun, and the first really new shotgun design to come out in a long while, like since Benelli hit the scene I think.
 
AFAIK, Remington did make versions of the 11-87 for clay shooting.
They sure did. One of which was the 11-87 Sporting Clays from the early 90's. I shot one for a few years and it remains one of the very few guns that I've had any regrets parting with. It lacked the pressure compensator and on the barrel was a warning against using shells no stronger than 3-1/4 dram, 1-1/4 ounce shells.

It also had a shortened forend which I thought made the gun very lively between the hands and came with 5 extended Remington choke tubes. I bought mine from a dealer who had ten in stock and I choose the best wood of the bunch and during that time Remington put some VERY nice wood on their target guns.
 
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1100 F-Grade with gold
1100 F-Grade
Sportsman 48
Sportsman

From www.remington.com ... not mine unfortunately.

I think the MSRP on the top is right at $12k these days IIRC.
 
The 1911 WAS a p.o.s. when it was first issued-(this should get me some mail!). At least that was the opinion of many learned shooters. If it was not so then why were American police officers predominantly carrying revolvers up until about 1990?

As I recall Bill Jordan carried a Wheelgun LONG after the 1911 came on the scene designing what became THE quintessential Combat Revolver the Model 19 Combat Magnum in 1956- some 45 years post 1911. BTW, that is also the birth year of the Colt Python..... Charles Askins equipped the Border Patrol in the 1930's with...Colt .38 revolvers and General Patton carried....ding, ding, ding....A Single Action Colt AND a Registered Magnum .357 Smith Wesson during WWII.

Hmm....Yea, 50 years seems about right for a design to be worth consideration of adding to the stable! Lol. Ain't nothing wrong with the Remington m11 series (have a couple old m11's myself, ha) and nothing wrong with the 1911 either, have a few around the house as well!
 
Remington 1100

I have a Remington 1100 which my father bought when he was in college before he met my mom. I am closing in on 30. GREAT gun, I hope to pass it on to my kids or grandkids.
 
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