why no 20 gauge revolver?

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First off, I'm not saying it's actually reasonable. I don't see much point in anything over a .357 revolver. Sure, if you're planning on being around large bears, you can justify a 500 S&W (although I'd probably pick a rifle or shotgun), but in general the bigger revolvers strike me as cool hobbyist hunting guns.

There are people who just want something huge as sort of a novelty, or because they think it's intimidating. That's probably why most 454's and 500's get bought.

The Taurus "Judge" .410 shot revolver looks like a legitimately reasonable self-defense gun, although the best justification for it they could come up with is shooting somebody trying to carjack you, because most people would probably be better off with a cheap 12 or 20 gauge for home defense. But it's cool because it's a shotgun in a small package.

So, if big sells, why not make a 20 gauge revolver? That's what, .615 caliber? The gun would look even more intimidating than a 500 S&W, but it could be made lighter. A 2.75" 20 gauge shell has under 2000 ft.lbs. of muzzle energy. It's usually going to have less kick than a 454 Casull, and definitely less than a 460 or 500 S&W, and it would actually be a decent home defense gun.

I guess if you're talking about legitimate hunting use, though, you're not going to get a lot of accuracy putting slugs in a 20 gauge revolver, and you're not going to have a lot of range with buckshot. So maybe it would only be useful for self defense (like the .410 Taurus), but it would still be bigger/cooler and in a more popular/normal/practical gauge.

It's just that I look at a lot of the big revolvers that people think are really cool ... and, well, they are impressive, but I can't help looking at them and thinking, "Yeah? That's still smaller than a little 20 gauge shell." I'm not saying big revolvers are totally stupid; I'd actually like to see more guns chambered for 460 S&W, since there's tons of ammo that's already compatible with that, so you can use .45 ammo at the range, .454 to hunt, and still tell people it's a 460 (and I would think the higher velocity actually makes 460 more impressive than 500 S&W).

Sorry for rambling! Long time lurker, first time poster, yadda yadda...
 
It would be illegal, a "sawn off shotgun" by 1934 GCA definitions. The Taurus and other .410 pistols are rifled and also chamber .45 colt. This is how they get by the laws. It's been upheld in the supreme court, too, in a case against Thompson Center arms.

Can you imagine the size of a 20 gauge cylinder, say five shot, even if it were legal? Ever seen a "street sweeper"? Not exactly practical as a concealed weapon, even a carry weapon IMHO.
 
the cylinder would be huge, physically the gun would have to be very large. i like the idea just not sure that its even possible.
 
Because I want one?

That is a great idea - the .410 revolver is a nice little item (love the terminal ballistics from that 5 ball buckshot), but a 20 gauge would be a big step above in terms of shot payload (from what I understand).

Maybe Taurus will do something like this?
 
There are problems from both a legal standpoint and from a practical standpoint. From a legal standpoint any shotgun-handgun would be a restricted "Any Other Weapon." Those ".410 revolvers" are actually chambered for .45 Long Colt. They just coincidently also happen to chamber .410 shells. T

here are no ".615 caliber" handguns to use as a start and any pistol caliber that large would be a "Destructive Device" as well. (Anything over .50 is a DD, unless it's blackpowder, I believe).

From a practical standpoint, the engineering would be a beast to get right. 20 gauge shells are a lot bigger then .410 shells. It's really not "practical" to do from just an engineering standpoint.
 
There were some .577 six-shot Brtish revolvers in the latter half of the 19th century-so five .615 shells are entirely feasible.
 
I wonder if you could make a 4-shot cylinder and make it small enough....

Doesn't seem likely to me. now 28 gauge.....that'd be interesting.....
 
From a legal standpoint any shotgun-handgun would be a restricted "Any Other Weapon."
That's right, and the transfer tax is only $5 for an AOW.

Right now I'm waiting on the paperwork for a 28 gauge AOW built on a Thompson/Center Encore pistol frame. :evil:
 
I'm kinda confused about the AOW status of pistol-grip short-barrel shotguns. So, they're not outright illegal like a sawed-off ... but apparently nobody's actually going to try mass-producing one in the US. What's the actual legality of an AOW?
 
You see no need for nothing over a .357 magnum, but use the .454, .460 and .500 as examples for big bore cartridges. You seem to have jumped over a few cartridges.
You ever think that some folks don't have a need for a .357 magnum? If you are going to make all that recoil, noise, and velocity then why limit yourself to a light, medium bore bullet?
 
There are no ".615 caliber" handguns to use as a start and any pistol caliber that large would be a "Destructive Device" as well. (Anything over .50 is a DD, unless it's blackpowder, I believe).

From what I've read there is a sporting exemption clause that's been applied to rifle cartridges over 50 caliber, such as the old .577 and .600 Nitro Express. I don't know how or if this extends to handguns

Pfeifer of Austria does make the Zeliska revolver in .600 NE. That might be a starting point if you must have a 20 ga revolver. Get an importer with an SOT to build it into a 20 ga AOW for you and have at it. I think it would be cool. And hey whats a $5 AOW tax after gunsmithing on a base revolver that cost over 13,000 Euro before importation? :evil:
http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/cms/html/index.php?module=htmlpages&func=display&pid=32
 
I'm kinda confused about the AOW status of pistol-grip short-barrel shotguns. So, they're not outright illegal like a sawed-off
Neither AOWs nor short-barreled shotguns (SBSs) are illegal under Federal law. You can make one by submitting a Form 1 or buy one by submitting a Form 4.

but apparently nobody's actually going to try mass-producing one in the US.
There are a number of AOWs in production, such as the Serbu Super Shorty.

What's the actual legality of an AOW?
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After looking at the size of that gun, it is starting to look a little ridiculous.
Aww, C'mon Tostada. Ridiculous is what it's all about. :evil: Just like 200+ mph supercars need it is thrown out the window. Because I want it and I can have it are great reasons. ;)
 
I like it

The main reason that I have a 500S&W:

They don't make a 600S&W :evil:

I would point out though, as the owner of both a 500, and 6" barrelled 12 gauge AOW, you wouldn't want to shoot that 20 gauge handgun very often.

It doesn't hurt -too much- depending on what you shoot. I have to admit the 'Buckhammer' 1 3/8 oz slugs do hurt... But 20-25 rounds of various slugs and buckshot are enough recoil to induce lasting pain. Not that you'd have to shoot someone 20-25 times defensively though...

FWIW, I have a couple targets to illustrate the spread on the 6" barrel 12 gauge. It is truly a "point and shoot" gun, the spread at 7 yards is the width of a B27 with 00 Buck. :what: :what: :what:

As always... YMMV
 
You ever think that some folks don't have a need for a .357 magnum? If you are going to make all that recoil, noise, and velocity then why limit yourself to a light, medium bore bullet?

Umm, maybe because I can conceal it under normal clothing? And also, maybe, because it is plenty enough to stop a fight and a double tap is actually possible??? While you're running to your car to get your .50, I'll take care of the threat with the .357 I have on my hip. :D
 
<<There are people who just want something huge as sort of a novelty, or because they think it's intimidating. That's probably why most 454's and 500's get bought.>>

Yes, if one is a city boy, I was born and raised (part of my life) in the city; my heart was and is, in the country.
Talking just handgun use.
If one was to go hunting down in the badlands (Texas), that 454, 500 (or any other large caliber handgun) is not going to be looked at, as a novelty.
I don’t think anything intimidates those wild hogs, down their. More so if you go hunting down their at night. Watching a Steven King movie on TV, might be a better choice.
Those wild (mean) hogs down their (their huge), some are small (babies) are not the pigs that you feed at the city petting zoo, that’s for sure. If one was too think this, they are #27 on the deadmans’ hunt.
 
Don't know if this will take Buckhammers, but...

There is a company manufacturing a 5-shot 20 ga revolver firing less-lethal projectiles. It's sold through Fox Labs (the OC spray people), and can be found here:

http://www.foxlabs.com/Defender.html

It doesn't say anything about the revolver's potential for using standard 20 ga ammo, but you do have something available.

Lbys
 
ugaarguy said:
Aww, C'mon Tostada. Ridiculous is what it's all about. :evil: Just like 200+ mph supercars need it is thrown out the window. Because I want it and I can have it are great reasons. ;)

Thanks for setting me straight. I don't know what came over me. :)
 
Why not something like a modern LeMat? Say 8 rounds of .357, flick the switch on the hammer and you have a single shot 16 gauge.
 
Well, at least we know how big the cylinder would be now....:what: "Hey, is that a gun on your hip or do you have a watermelon sized tumor growin' there?":D Not a lot bigger than a LeMat, though.

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Well not many people wanna go through the trouble of getting an NFA weapon, first off.

But as shown there, you'd have an unreasonably huge weapon.

My idea is a 12 gauge pistol, firing the Aguila mini-shotshells. Using a magazine in the grip like other pistols, but a "bolt" type design like a Ruger Mk. 1 instead of a slide.
 
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