Why no love for the SR9?
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atblis
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You don't think they look similar? Interestingly enough, the main knock against the Sigma was the trigger pull. Other than that, they're actually decent guns. S&W couldn't sell them until they lowered the price to <$300.
I haven't seen any sales figures for the SR9, but most of the comments I've read about them are positive. The one I handled shot well. The grip angle and the bore axis reminded me a little of my CZ75.
As far as them looking like a Sigma, most plastic pistols look alike to me. In fact, didn't Glock sue S&W for patent infringement after they introduced the Sigma?
As far as them looking like a Sigma, most plastic pistols look alike to me. In fact, didn't Glock sue S&W for patent infringement after they introduced the Sigma?
I've owned 2 SR40's and 1 SR9....1 of the 40's had to go back...other than that they were great guns the only thing I hated was the narrow sights, too small for my astigmatism on the rears. I wasn't a fan of the huge extended mag releases, every time I slightly bumped something, they popped out.
needmorecowbell
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Although I just sold my SR9c yesterday and bought a CZ P01 to replace (have a 75b full-size and wanted a compact too that shared same mags), the SR series are fantastic pistols. For a plastic, striker fired gun you can't beat it with a $400 price tag. It's just as good as glock, xd, m&p etc... I think some people just can't like them though because of all the lawyer gadgets. Mags are too pricey too.
My take on them and I sell lots of them is that with Ruger not pursuing a lot of Military and Police business they don't have quite the same cache. But in my mind they are certainly competitive with the Glock, M & P, and XD. To me they each have pluses and minuses:
M & P: Pluses, great ergonomics and probably the best low cost .45 platform. Minuses, trigger is the worse of the bunch and I would not carry w/o safety. Full size 9mm has too short a lock up.
XD: Pluses, Best trigger of the bunch, grip safety is a great alternative, that your not likely to forget to engage like a reg. safety. Extra weight tames recoil in .40 better than the others. Minuses, weird sizing, largest footprint, sub-compacts are bigger than the other guys compacts. Made in Croatia
Glock: Pluses, simplicity in tear down, reliability especially in 9mm, tons of aftermarket support. Minuses, .45 is blocky and as a platform they don't tend to fit everyone
Ruger: Pluses, reliable The compact with the extended and concealment mag is the best concealment/range gun package of the group. Minuses, metal slide has some sharp edges, not near as much aftermarket support in holsters, etc.
M & P: Pluses, great ergonomics and probably the best low cost .45 platform. Minuses, trigger is the worse of the bunch and I would not carry w/o safety. Full size 9mm has too short a lock up.
XD: Pluses, Best trigger of the bunch, grip safety is a great alternative, that your not likely to forget to engage like a reg. safety. Extra weight tames recoil in .40 better than the others. Minuses, weird sizing, largest footprint, sub-compacts are bigger than the other guys compacts. Made in Croatia
Glock: Pluses, simplicity in tear down, reliability especially in 9mm, tons of aftermarket support. Minuses, .45 is blocky and as a platform they don't tend to fit everyone
Ruger: Pluses, reliable The compact with the extended and concealment mag is the best concealment/range gun package of the group. Minuses, metal slide has some sharp edges, not near as much aftermarket support in holsters, etc.
TimboKhan
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I loved mine, and am thinking about a sr9c for a carry pistol.
When I was at the range with an unconvinced friend. He quickly changed his mind as he noticed I was able to out group him and his 6in revolver consistently. You might think that I was just a better shot,but when he took over the gun his groups were better too. Sure the revolver was capable of better accuracy in the right hands,but the ergonomics of the SR9c just make it easier to hit with. The SR9c for a compact is pretty accurate. My friend had the same passive attitude about them until he saw the results. Now he's determined to add one to the list.
CMAS, I'm not saying it's more accurate than a 6in revolver, It's just easier to shoot for the average person, resulting in better groups.
CMAS, I'm not saying it's more accurate than a 6in revolver, It's just easier to shoot for the average person, resulting in better groups.
So the XD takes a ding because it is manufactured overseas? I do wish they were to move production for the US to the US, much like FN has. The importer/marketer, Springfield Armory has some of the best customer service around. If they were poorly made so many of us wouldn't be carrying them regardless of where thet are made.
I agree that the XD subcompact is more comparable to other brand's compact versions. The XDS though, could be the "new subcompact" XD. To me a subcompact should be a pocket pistol, which the XD subcompact is not.
I'm a big fan of Ruger's revolvers, but have been turned off on thier autos since the P-89 was released. Than's not to say the SR series is not good; I just do not have one.
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They look somewhat similar...but so do many other guns. How does that speak to the quality of the gun though?
Not to mention as you said, the SD is pretty much a quality gun, with a poor trigger. The Ruger has a good trigger. Just as good as my Glock 19 and just as good as or better than the M&Ps I have handled. The Ruger's trigger is MUCH better than the SD's
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Southside830
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Ruger as a whole are solid firearms IMO there's just too many choices in the autoloader market and Ruger doesn't stand out in any way and honestly theres better autoloaders in the same genre.
PedalBiker
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My knock on Ruger - they have two vastly different safety styles - the P-95 and P-345 go UP to fire, the newer SR series go down.
I also don't like magazine disconnects.
I like the nice, large loaded chamber indicator on the SR series and I like the safety (aside from point #1).
I'd like to see a single stack SR-45 with a 4" barrel.
I also don't like magazine disconnects.
I like the nice, large loaded chamber indicator on the SR series and I like the safety (aside from point #1).
I'd like to see a single stack SR-45 with a 4" barrel.
zenshootist
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My wife has an SR9 and loves it. Ghost trigger is a cheap upgrade and makes it a smoother shooter. We did have some trouble with the striker but Ruger sent us a mailing label and had it back to us in a week at no charge. Agree about the lawyer comments but the customer service makes up for any other shortfalls.
JR47
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This is the type of senseless comments that you get when there really isn't anything but "I don't like it" behind it.
I own both an SR9 and an SR9C. They were bought in the past 18 months, so benefited from the improved trigger. Well over 1k through both of them without fault. That includes standard pressure rounds, +P and +P+ rounds, together.
Even the Perfect one
, Glock, had problems as new guns. Plastic sights, Ka-Booms in .40 S&W, and firing pin issues in the Model 21. Not to mention having to re-engineer the magazines to drop free. Yet, you hear no mention of that.I have no problem with the XD's origin. I just don't think that it feels as good in my hands as the SR series pistols.
The remark about safety movement is also reaching. How many buyers of the SR pistols will have another, older, Ruger pistol that they might mistake for an SR series? Really? The safety is small enough to ignore if you don't like it.
I've been carrying my SR9c for months, and have NEVER had the magazine release activate during even strenuous physical labor.
The guns are solid, dependable, and easy to operate. They are priced below many competitors offerings. Is it really a reach to see why they are selling so well?
Replace "honestly" with "in my opinion" and you have an accurate statement.
mgmorden
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Safeties have a habit of getting clicked on when you don't intend them to. Its not as simple as "just don't use it". Basically, you have to treat safeties much like a loaded gun. When you need the gun to fire, all safeties are always on until deactivated. Its better to just not have one and KNOW the gun is ready to fire.
As to the magazine disconnect - realize that shooting sports have become VERY popular over the last decade and continue to grow. As already stated, despite how easy it might be , you can't legally deactivate the mag disconnect in IDPA. Certain things need to come right from the factory else various rules prevent you from changing them.
PedalBiker
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I have a P345 and an SR9c. Maybe I'll just have to make a choice and get rid of one of them.
JTQ
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I believe that has changed.
atblis
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The thread is titled "Why no love for the SR9?", and not "Is the SR9 a quality pistol?". You cannot disregard opinions. People buy guns based on opinions. Appearance is important. I suspect you'll find a good many people consider the SR9 cheesy looking. I do.
In a case full of Glocks, XDs, M&Ps, H&Ks, CZs, SIGs, Berettas, Walthers, etc. etc. the SR9 has to distinguish itself. Does it? Does looking like a Sigma hurt? Don't know. The few SR9s I've fondled had horrid feeling triggers. That killed any chance of my buying one new out of the case.
Now consider the somewhat recently released PPQ. It's sexy looking, and the trigger feels great. Plenty of love for the PPQ. No stupid lawyer crap either. Simple and elegant.
Are they selling well? I've yet to see one on the range.
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The fact is, Ruger is not a well respected name in professional circles, period! They never earn(none at all last I heard)any significant contracts with LEA, and DoD only bought a handful of them to give to the Afghani defense forces because they were literally given to them by Ruger at firesale prices, likely so Ruger could say that they had a genuine DoD contract, and swell the chests of their customer base with false pride.
But don't let that stop you, by the time they lock down this thread, all of the expert gunslingers will have you convinced that Ruger is so good that the only way S&W, Sig, Glock, H&K ect.. trounce them in purchase trials, is because they cheat, and undersell poor Ruger's pricepoint, which of course is a laugher as Ruger pistols are as cheaply fabricated as they come, which is exactly why they are never chosen by any serious LEA.
ColdDayInHell
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What?!?!? My SR9c is my favorite handgun along with my Gen4 G19. My SR9c trigger is the best trigger I have ever felt that I bought in MA, which requires a heavy trigger. The SR9 is a solid gun and the internals mimic the Glock, which I can't believe they didn't get sued over. The Glock patent must have expired because besides the mag disconnect (which I took out), the guns are identical inside. I love how the SR9c can take a SR9 full size magazine, just with the grip sleeve to cover the gap. It's like two guns in one!
ColdDayInHell
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I get a lot of people drooling over my polishing job on my Rugers, specifically my SR9c. It looks incredible and way better than the matte finish it came with. It looked gritty and the polishing only took about 3 hrs total.
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