Why no modern top-break revolvers?

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How about a compromise? See revolver in 4th/5th picture.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/03/05/jsc-kbp-instrument-design/

I was thinking on the ride home something like a side break revolver, and low and behold I happened across this on the computer at home. Not exactly what I had imagined, but probably better. In case you didn't follow the link, it is a russian revolver from the cold war where the cylinder pivots out the right side of the from, with the axis of rotation perpendicular to the barrel and the pivot at the front of the cylinder.

Benefit of solid top strap, better access to the rounds.
 
I don't think it really has better access. The cylinder opens on the wrong side; though that's certainly easy to fix. But there appears to be no method of ejection whatever. I think this revolver can get by without one because it uses full moon clips and the shooter can just use a fingernail to pull the clip out, which the Russians probably consider acceptable because its a special purpose revolver for strictly clandestine or covert use, and as such, probably not envisioned as being needed for more than a few shots.

I can't see how you'd put a usable ejector rod on this, and an automatic ejector would, again, require the cylinder to swing out at least 90 degrees with any cartridge you might use.
 
Billy Shears said:
But there appears to be no method of ejection whatever. I think this revolver can get by without one because it uses full moon clips and the shooter can just use a fingernail to pull the clip out, which the Russians probably consider acceptable because its a special purpose revolver for strictly clandestine or covert use, and as such, probably not envisioned as being needed for more than a few shots.

According to Modern Firearms, it partially ejects the shells/clip:

Upon the opening of the cylinder, an automatic ejector partially withdraws the clip with rounds (or empty cases) from cylinder.

But, indeed, it isn't like a top-break.
 
"but that's going to be a mighty odd looking revolver"
That kind of goes without saying for a low-set barrel design of any type.

The trick for ejection is to have the fixed portion of the frame supporting the barrel pivot have a couple 'gear teeth' that will drag the ejection rod backward as the barrel rotates downward. Same basic principle as any other ejecting break top. By utilizing spring loaded ejection (think O/U shotguns) in conjunction with positive mechanical force, the need for full ejector rod travel is unnecessary. My tentative design swings out about 100 degrees if memory serves (but is cushioned by the ejector/latch springs at each extent, so it can be flipped open/shut more violently)

I alluded to this earlier, but revolver design is much more spatially complicated than for semi-autos. The simultaneous functions and motions of practically all moving parts, and the non-planar shapes of the structural frame elements make for a design problem somewhat like 3D chess in comparison to semi-autos that can be sufficiently described with a simple cutaway profile drawing along the bore axis (in most cases). Cams are always hard to design, and basically everything in a revolver runs on them.

I think a design could be produced easily that has essentially a funky looking machined/forged barrel trunnion/upper frame which nests into a simple channel-shaped lower receiver, to which the grip/trigger group attach. But break-top revolvers are expected to do so much more than SA or even DA revolvers*, that there are inherently a ton of small parts that have to be developed. I think the design could be useful, but would be a wildly expensive and finicky undertaking. I think it mostly serves as an entertaining and difficult design experiment.

One last bit; there's a guy on weaponsguild making a break top "Samaritan" revolver in 4x20ga (DD) with a cylinder about the size of a naval orange. I believe he got the double action trigger, cylinder, and latch more or less completed before backburnering the design (very common among gun builders) for a later date. The shear size of the thing means it is probably strong enough, but I have to think that 20ga is probably more load than any break top revolver has seen to date :cool:

TCB

*I love how it's just expected that an extremely complex mechanism to eject shells automatically is incorporated simply because the gun locks closed a certain way, and a few famous designs did this (and greatly reduced reliability in doing so). It's also expected that the design be SA/DA just because; a hammerless DAO would be way simpler, and honestly, probably more useful if speed is the need.
 
I love how the worldguns.ru site on the captive-bolt revolver says it is used for police purposes, when literally the sole function of the item is to quietly plant a weak power projectile in the ear of someone without alerting bystanders. Not something 'police' are typically known for ;)

TCB
 
Though it is fairly low on my list of project priorities (mostly because each and every part of a revolver is kind of a pain in the rear to visualize and make), I am working towards this exact concept for my "Stampede*" design...

Nice looking design and much better than my napkin sketch.

This link is to an earlier sketch I made trying to come up with an aesthetically 'pleasing' (in the old-school Fudd sense, not the cyber-punk Rhino sense) concept.

I find it funny how subjective looks are. We all know that is is better have the barrel as low as possible to reduce muzzle flip. It is just basic physics. However, since the first commercially successful revolvers had the barrel aligned with the top of the cylinder that is considered "normal" and we have been building revolvers that way for 150 years now.
 
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