Why only steel RUgers?

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Why are there only steel Ruger wheelguns? I was wanting a lightweight wheelgun but I'm just not a fan of the S&W or Tauri w/ the internal locks. I really like the Ruger wheelguns but I'd like something a little lighter - maybe alloy or maybe a trimmer frame to save weight...
What's up w/ Ruger??
 
Possibly because the kind of people who buy Rugers do so because they want a bull strong utterly reliable revolver. And possibly because Ruger doesn't think there is enough of a market, in view of all the other lightweight pocket guns out there.

I'd get a used S&W, it would be smaller and lighter than any "lightweight" revolver Ruger would make, considering Rugers propensity for overbuilding their guns.
 
Rugers generally have the reputation of being toughest wheel guns out there. I like to shoot 300 gr loads in my .44mag. My friend has always suggested that if I get a 629 I should shoot lighter loads through it such as 180 and 200 gr loads. Rather than the larger 240+ loads mainly because they can crack the weapon frame and damage other parts.

Plus:
Boris 'The Blade' Yurinov: Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it.
 
I would have to say, I love my nail driving hammer substitute. My sp101 2" is always on my hip. I would never give it up. If you want an airweight just remember it may be rated +p but all airweight have experienced breakage.
 
What's up?

Except for the SP101, Ruger doesn't make guns for conceled carry. (And they only started making the SP101 for cops.) They make service weapons and sporting arms. Bill Ruger wanted it that way. Which means they have little interest in making their guns very small or incredibly light weight. They just aren't interested in that market or weren't prior to Bill Ruger's death.

Also, Ruger guns are cast. Which means they must, by necessity, be overbuilt compared to forged gun. Now Ruger guns are tough and over-engineered beyond what is needed for a casting, but they still can't be made as slim and trim as forged piece. Not safely.
 
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Also, Ruger guns are cast. Which means they must, by necessity, be overbuilt compared to forged gun
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Not so, at least in this day and age. Various copies of Colt Single Action Army revolvers use investment cast frames that are dimensionally identical to Colt's forged frame. The same could be said about investment cast vs. forged 1911 pistol frames.

If you talk to engineers for the major ammunition companies, as I have done privately - and in particular the smaller ones that make ammunition loaded to pressures that the big boys won't touch - they will tell you that there is only one compact snub-nose revolver that will stand up to steady use of their .357 Magnum loads, and that is the Ruger SP 101. The others, especially the alloy framed ones, are "carry much but shoot little," so far as they are concerned.

Bill Ruger was a "gun-man," in the most positive meaning of the term. Unlike most of his counterparts in other handgun companies he understood firearms from an engineering/design point of view, and he equally understood the mindset of many of his customers who wouldn't be satisfied with anything less then running endless rounds of frame-stretching handloads through his guns. Then they'd complain when they loosened up - if they did.

Some reloading handbooks have sections for "Ruger and Thompson-Center guns only." None that I know of have similar data for "Colt only," or Smith & Wesson only," or "anything else only."

Put simply, Ruger made his guns rugged where rugged was required. Those of us that had the pleasure and privilege of knowing him and discussing it with him know where his thinking came from. I rather doubt that we will be seeing a small, ultra-light handgun from Ruger, but if we do I’d be willing to bet it will be a pistol, not a revolver.
 
Not so, at least in this day and age. Various copies of Colt Single Action Army revolvers use investment cast frames that are dimensionally identical to Colt's forged frame. The same could be said about investment cast vs. forged 1911 pistol frames.
Sorry, but it is still true. If you compare modern castings to the forged steels of yesteryear, the performance is comparable. Which is why you can cast a lot of older guns like the SAA and the 1911 now. But if you use modern forgings and compare them to modern castings, the forgings are still better. The grain structure is still superior with forgings and forgings don't have to worry about porosity either.
 
I discussed this issue at some length with Bill Ruger himself. With investment casting there may be a porosity problem, but he solved this through engineering and quality control.

Smith & Wesson uses forgings, and occasionally one of their guns - stainless steel and alloy - have been known to send the whole barrel down range. :eek: I haven't heard that about Ruger.

This however would seem to have been a quality/manufacturing problem, but at least in one case they discontinued the model. Taurus uses investment cast revolver frames that from a performance point of view seem to be equal to Smith & Wesson's forgings, but not necessarily better.

The troublesome places in a revolver frame are usually (1) the breechface behind the cartridge head, and (2) the thickness of the topstrap. Add to this in some compact models the cross sectional area where the barrel is screwed into the frame. I believe that at this time Smith & Wesson is the last of the major manufacturers still using forged revolver frames. If they were superior to any meaningful degree we would be seeing some "Smith & Wesson only" loading data. The fact is we aren't. Concerning the J-frames' ability to stand up to extensive use with .357 Magnum loads (especially in aluminum alloy) the ammunition guys aren't impressed - and I value their opinions.
 
If they were superior to any meaningful degree we would be seeing some "Smith & Wesson only" loading data.
No you would not! You would only see this if the revolvers were designed to take loads in excess of SAAMI spec. Rugers are. Smiths definitely are not. It is all a matter of design. I can make the worlds toughest revolver with castings or forgings. Forged steel is generally better than cast steel per unit weight, but if you give me a little extra weight I can make a cast gun that is just as good.

S&W guns have had a tendency to be under-engineered for their caliber. The K and J are both just beefed up .38s. The reason they are still forging these guns is probably because they fear the consequences of moving to castings without extensive testing and re-engineering.

Let me repeat, the reason you see "Ruger only" descriptions on ammunition and loading tables is because Ruger guns are designed to be beasts, not because they're cast.
 
I believe it was back in the late 80's or early 90's that I saw pictures of a prototype SP-101 in titanium. This was way before the recent advances in titanium production and machining that has significantly reduced the cost of working titanium. I think Massad Ayoob did a write up on this, and the project was shelved given that the retail cost would have been extremely high. Interesting that Ruger has not revived the project.
 
It's a play on Bill Ruger's infamous "No honest man needs more than 10 rounds in any gun." line.
 
Smiths could be built as tough as Rugers. But it is probable that no one will buy them if they scrapped the 100 yr old sideplate style frame and started over with a modern design.

Also of note is that the new Vaquero, shrunk down to the size of its contemporaries, is no longer recommended for "Ruger only" loads.
 
Also of note is that the new Vaquero, shrunk down to the size of its contemporaries, is no longer recommended for "Ruger only" loads.

True....

But it wasn't shrunk until after Bill Sr. was gone. :scrutiny: ;)
 
Ruger isn't making great decisions as they did when Bill Ruger was alive. Invariably, visionaries always seem to be replaced by stick in the muds who aren't willing to venture into new areas. Instead of trimming some weight off the GP-100s so that people can choose between full underlugs and nice tapered barrels, Ruger just plods on. To this day, the old skinny-barrelled 2.75-inch Security-Six is the ultimate .357 for carry.

Could Ruger produce a tough titanium magnum? Sure, if they stuck to the old solid frame design that made their guns so strong. I don't know who's running things at Ruger, but in my mind's eye it's someone like "Uncle Joe" from Petticoat Junction. He's behind a closed door and is sound asleep. The innovation died with Bill Ruger and was buried with him.
 
Could Ruger produce a tough titanium magnum? Sure, if they stuck to the old solid frame design that made their guns so strong.

Sure they could. But they could also make a small, double-action pocketable pistol with a polymer frame that would retail for less, and give the company a much better profit margin. I suspect that they'll be more then willing to leave the Titanium revolver market to S&W and Taurus. A Titanium cylindered/aluminum frame SP-101 revolver is always possible because they have much of the basic tooling - but I'm not holding my breath.
 
My first wheel gun was a fixed sight Police 6. I thought it was pretty cool...until I handled my friend's S&W. Difference was like night and day...I then knew why everone lusted for S&W and the Colts. Still...today's Rugers have more uses than any other revolver in production. When they run out of ammo, well... you can club the BG to death. If the opportunity presented itself while in a boat adrift, one could always tie a rope to a Ruger and use it as an anchor. You can use them as pry-bars, hammers...and hey, they make pretty good paper weights too!:neener:
 
because when people think ruger they think indestructable, if you want a light weight revolver the s&w is for you.
 
I like shooting Rugers. I find they find my hands, come w/ acceptable triggers, are reasonably priced & don't come w/ that awful internal lock!
 
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