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Why should I buy Glock 23 over Walther P99?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by el Godfather, Oct 16, 2013.

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  1. el Godfather

    el Godfather Member

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    Dear THR:
    Thinking about picking another 40SW. This time I am leaning towards a Walther p99 for its awesome ergonomics, but I have been hearing a lot of good things about Glock 23.

    So why should I buy Glock 23 over Walther 99? More concerned about performance and ergonomics rather.
    Thanks
     
  2. HOOfan_1

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    Price, and parts availability/price are the only thing I can think of. I wasn't quite as impressed with the P99 trigger as many seem to be. I like the PPQ trigger better.

    IMO the PPQ and the Ruger SR series both have better triggers than the Glock.

    P99 seems to cost about 25% more than the Glock and the PPQ seems to cost about the same
     
  3. 45_auto

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    Performance will be the same. Buy whichever one feels best to you.
     
  4. 5-SHOTS

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    I have the 9mm P99 AS and I shot the Glock 19 many times. I prefere the Walther (second strike capability, more natural pointability, better ergos, better stock sights (mine are steel glow in the dark)).
     
  5. jjones45

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    I have a glock 23 that I've had for 8 years with thousands of rounds through it with no malfunctions. with the glock you can also get conversion barrels for 357 sig and 9mm. however I think the Walther feels better in hand and you really can't go wrong with either. a ppq is on my list of handguns I want. I just wish they made one in 45 acp


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  6. ScarLata

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    I own both. If Glock 23 I prefer gen4 because it tolerates better the recoil impact than previous generations. If Walther P99 then tries to consider the Defense Kit model due to night sights and ambidextrous ergonomics. I like both, P99 AS got my vote, still PPQ is my fav. Magnum Research MR40 is the best value.
     
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  7. Fishbed77

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    A P99 is a great .40S&W pistol, but it is a superb 9mm pistol.

    That said, the only real downside to a .40S&W P99 is that it can be snappy, but that's a subjective thing, of course. Both are excellent pistols.

    Positives of the P99 are:

    -better trigger (make sure you get the AS version, and not the QA)
    -better ergonomics
    -better fit & finish
    -no need to pull trigger for takedown
    -double strike capability (for what it's worth)
    -no problems firing lead bullets (due to traditionally-rifled barrel)
    -better mag release design (cannot accidentally drop mag when holstered)
    -more durable finish (Walther still uses Tenifer treatment with blackening, unlike Glock, who now uses a different nitriding process with an easily-worn matte finish)
    -better reliability (all generations of P99 are reliable, without the issues Glock has from generation to generation)
    -designed from the start to be a .40S&W pistol (never heard of a KB in a P99)

    Positives for the Glock 23 are:

    -polygonal barrel easier to clean (though few pistol barrels are that hard to clean)
    -easier to find replacement parts
    -accessories can be found in any gun store (though P99 accessories are easily available online)

    Mags for both are not difficult to find, though mags for the P99 (or identical ones with the Magnum-Research-branded baseplate) run about $5 or so more each:

    http://www.midwayusa.com/product/28...e-fast-action-40-s-and-w-11-round-steel-black


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  8. chrisp0410

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    Years ago, I carried a full-sized 1911 .45 almost everywhere. Then I started work as a supervisor of a uniformed security company and all my cohorts carried Glocks. Three times to the range with them convinced me and I purchased the sidearm I carried most of my adult life, a Glock 23. Size, weight, payload; on many counts it was the correct decision to make.

    But it wasn't a perfect decision. To me, the Glock's grip angle makes me point high, it took me considerable time to develop the muscle memory to present a Glock without having to pull the barrel down when acquiring a sight picture.

    The Walther (again to me) points more naturally. The ergonomics are wonderful. Of the Walther models, I prefer the PPQ but the P99 has that same wonderful grip. The 40 versions of the Walthers do flip a little more than the Glock imho but once again, that is my subjective opinion.

    Either way, you are debating upon two very reliable, capable firearms. My decision would be to pick the one that fits me the best and not look back. [For me, that is now a Walther]
     
  9. el Godfather

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    Thank you Fishbed
     
  10. madFive

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    Shoot 'em both, buy the one that feels best when fired. I'm willing to bet you'll prefer the Walther. Glock used to have the market cornered on cheap reliable plastic guns, but today they have TONS of very solid competition.

    And I have to give another vote for 9mm over 40. Much better recoil characteristics for the range, and the same ballistic performance if you're using the right JHP loads for defense.

    Also, even though it looks like I have to say this in every single thread: don't limit yourself on brand, and try some pistols with single-action trigger options! Once you try 'em you won't want to go back. Sig P2022 and Beretta PX4 are both in this same price range and have triggers that are nearly as good as an HK. Why would you take a striker-fired over those??
     
  11. Fishbed77

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    I can say for a fact that the striker-fired Walther P99AS has a better DA/SA trigger than either the SIG SP2022 or Beretta PX4 (or any DA/SA HK model).
     
  12. Takem406

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    I'd suggest a 23C. Very very soft and easy to shoot! Felt recoil of a nine and not much for muzzle flip. Glocks are inexpensive to upgrade and customize. They just flat work.
     
  13. ExTank

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    IN addition to what Fishbed said:

    If it was just 9mm we were talking about, then I'd say P99 all the way. But, and just IME, you may find the muzzle flip/recoil in a .40 P99 a bit excessive (and I like to shoot .45 ACP compact and .44 mag!). But my hands/arms are not yours, and what I find a tad rough you may be just fine with.

    Have not shot a Glock 23, so I can't say how it compares "in hand," but doing a website side-by-side comparison of vital stats, the P99 is about 4.5 oz. heavier (empty) and a bit longer/taller than the Glock, and the Glock gives you one extra round, to boot.

    So if smaller profile/lighter weight/extra round beats slightly heavier/bigger/one less round, there you go: Glock

    If ergos and trigger are deciding factors, there you go: P99

    If aftermarket and vesatility is a deciding factor: Glock (Walther is sloooowly catching up with that, but isn't there yet).
     
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    I agree with this. I sold my Glock 22 after buying my P99.
     
  15. RBid

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    I'm a Walther nerd at heart. As Fishbed says, the P99 and PPQ are superb 9mm pistols. In .40, I vastly prefer the Glock 23 Gen 4. Lower bore, better RSA for the round. The Gen 4s are outstanding launchers for the .40. In 9mm... Walther, unless you're a lazy owner and want to be able to buy cheap mags off the wall of your LGS.
     
  16. Teachu2

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    Buy them both, shoot them extensively, sell the loser.
     
  17. herrwalther

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    My Walther P99AS in 40 is my favorite firearm that I own. If I had to get rid of my firearms for any reason I would keep the Walther. I have fired every Glock 9mm and .40 that they make and none of them can hold a candle to the P99 in my hands.
     
  18. PabloJ

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    You would have to ask Finnish Military they used P99 and now I believe their standard sidearm is G17. I do not know why.
     
  19. MikePaiN

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    I picked up a used gen3 G23(with n/s and two mags) for $450 last month just because I felt like getting a .40. Turns out the G23 is an outstanding shooter, I shoot it dead on and could go all day with the gun, recoil and flip are negligible. I even started carrying the G23, normally I have something smaller but with jeans and a t-shirt it carries pretty good.
     
  20. Robbins290

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    Not fan of either. But that p99 is one comfortable pistol. But if i had to choose. Glock has a way better rap sheet
     
  21. Fatdaddy

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    I've owned the Walther and the Smith version of the 99.
    Both would pinch my trigger finger when the trigger would break, just weren't made for my hand I guess.
    I'd go Glock 23 or better yet G27 with X-grip and G23 magazine, like the setup to the left.
    The rounded profile of the mag adapter makes it more comfortable than my 23 with the same mag capacity
    It also doesn't print as bad as the 23:

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    You can also do some cool stuff with barrel changes:
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  22. el Godfather

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    Interesting. Any idea?
     
  23. shadow9

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    Go Glock on this one - coming from a previous P99 .40 Owner...

    Also,
    The P99 was actually designed around 9x19, then ported to .40. This is both from S&W Cust Svc (when they handled Walther pistols) AND Earl's Repair service (the primary Walther importer/private service center in northeastern US).

    Reasons I know this? My old .40 P99 broke off a piece of the Sear Housing Assembly. As I was talking to the gunsmith with Earl's, he let me know that the SHA is the most common repair on P99's, ESPECIALLY .40's, since they use the 9mm Recoil spring for .40 weapons. Earls only imported one recoil spring, as with S&W.

    Also, for the record, it was one of the WORST muzzle-jumpers I've EVER fired.

    Likewise, I haven't shot a Glock, but I owned a Steyr M40-A1, and by golly that thing made .40 feel like 9mm. No joke - my friend's SR9 full-size kicked as hard as my M40 did....

    Food for thought.
     
  24. Fishbed77

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    The P99 was never the standard sidearm of the Finnish Military. It was adopted as the PIST 2003 for their special operations forces and some military police.

    The Glock 17 was adopted at the PIST 2008 as the standard-issue pistol to replace the PIST 80 (Browning BDA/HP-DA). It hasn't replaced the P99.

    So basically, the more elite soldiers get the P99 and everyone else gets the Glock 17.



    (As a side note, more recently, the P99 has been chosen over the Glock 17 and others as the new personal handgun for Finnish police, customs and border guard personnel).
     
  25. Fishbed77

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    The 2nd gen .40SW P99 was designed from ground-up as a .40SW pistol, and has an entirely separate slide design from the 9mm version (with much more mass in the slide). I was referring to this version, since I assumed the OP was talking about a new pistol.
     
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