Why would a cop do this?

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A friend of mines son who has a conceal and carry permit was walking into Wal Mart armed and concealed. Just as he was entering (he must have been printing) a LEO came up from behind and grabbed his gun and removed it from his holster and did not announce until the kid turned around defensively. This was before the tragedy in Aurora. The kid told them he had a permit but they still cuffed him until they called it in. Was this normal or really dangerous? I'm no LEO but guys weigh in. Thanks
 
I'm not a cop, but that was extremely dangerous and beyond stupid. If the kid had any real training we probably would have an ending with an injured or dead cop.
 
Not normal that I have heard. Can I guess the boy that a pistol that may be a large frame and on the back half of his body and rubs on the shirt with ever step. That may very well get you hassled. May not have been the best way for the officer to do it. I have seen a few that the "concealed " carry was so visible to people paying attention at all they may as will be OC.
 
He was carrying an M&P 45 compact. I'm not sure what holster he was using. He did call the Chief. But you would never hear of fallout from a complaint.
 
Dont know MN laws. In TN, it is a handgun carry permit; and the holder has no obligation to conceal. You would think the police officer would have identified himself and inquired about it instead of laying his hands on the man. In my opinion, open and shut case of wrongful detainment and arrest. I would sue and would write the editor of my local paper / TV / radio news outlet to complain.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect and admiration for the law enforcement folks; but they are supposed to operate within the confines of the law and the constitution. Bad move on the LEO's part.
 
I find that account hard to believe. Are you sure there isn't something missing from the story?
 
As a retired LEO I suspect there is more to this story than we are being lead to believe.
As far as cuffing the subject,on certain investigative stops this is allowed for a short period of time for the safety of the officer,the subject and the public. This is not considered an arrest in certain circumstances.
If the story did happen just as it's given to us, the officer used bad judgment and needs to go back for some retraining.
 
I asked the same question and the answer I got was no. In Mn you can open carry as well and the store is not posted. About 1,000 people a month are getting permits in the state when I got mine three years ago. So this isn't new. He is pretty young but looks at least 21.
 
MN does not have to conceal. It is a carry license.

If the facts are as described the police action was illegal, foolish, and dangerous.
 
You are hearing about a story that was told to your friend by his son, and then told to you by his father. Are you sure the facts haven't been adjusted a bit?

That story, if true, is ridiculous.
 
LEO came up from behind and grabbed his gun and removed it from his holster
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I'm glad it wasn't a bad guy that dis-armed him!!!! Just my opinion...

The dude might want to think about changing holsters.

The Dove
 
IF true the cop needs fired, charged with a crime, and sued. And he is lucky.
 
I knew a man who was carrying a wrench in his back pocket as part of his job. He was cooking on a gas grill and had to borrow a wrench to turn the gas on. He accidently bumped someone with it as he brushed by in a crowd returning to work. The person bumped thought that the hard dense item he felt was a gun and told the police who gang tackled my friend in the middle of the sidewalk, skinned up his face and damaged his shoulder. The police tried to cover their mistake by threatening to charge him with carrying a concealed weapon. Nothing ever came of it as Katrina hit about two weeks later.
 
if that's how it really went down, the cop is lucky he's still in good health. As posted, if the kid had training, he could have retained his weapon and shot, or the kid could have really been a bad guy, and attacked him.

It sounds like the cop knew he was a legallly armed citizen, saw him printing and said "I'm gonna be Mr. Tough Guy, today".

Have him lawyer up, the officer needs to be made an example of.
 
If thats the full story, then like was said before the cop is lucky to able to walk. The kid would probably really had problems then.
Not very well concealed was it and either that cop is fast or that is one crappy holster. Needs to talk to a lawyer.
 
What would you recommend?
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I don't know Warp, because I don't know the "kid". All I know is that he had a weapon taken from him. That weapon was not concealed correctly, was not secured correctly, and was taken by a good guy, thankfully... That is all I know.

The Dove
 
To the people saying, "The cop is lucky the kid didn't habe any real training. Id like to know what you would have done. First we need to know, Where was he carrying the gun? I feel like the best course of action would be to break away, get distance from whoever was trying to take my gun and then turn around and identify what could be a potential target. Plenty of time to see its a cop. Turning around quickly and blindly firing your gun doesn't seem like a good tactic. Please elaborate.

For what it's worth, I feel like there is something missing from the story as well.
 
I don't know Warp, because I don't know the "kid". All I know is that he had a weapon taken from him. That weapon was not concealed correctly, was not secured correctly, and was taken by a good guy, thankfully... That is all I know.
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"Good guy"?

All I know from that story is the gun was not secured correctly. There's no requirement to conceal here.
 
THe Dove said:
I don't know Warp, because I don't know the "kid". All I know is that he had a weapon taken from him. That weapon was not concealed correctly, was not secured correctly, and was taken by a good guy, thankfully... That is all I know.

The Dove
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You suggested a holster change. I wondered why you said that and, more importantly, what kind of holster you had in mind. The vast majority of IWB concealment holsters, which would seem to be the most likely candidate in this case, are open top
 
skt239 said:
To the people saying, "The cop is lucky the kid didn't habe any real training. Id like to know what you would have done. First we need to know, Where was he carrying the gun? I feel like the best course of action would be to break away, get distance from whoever was trying to take my gun and then turn around and identify what could be a potential target. Plenty of time to see its a cop. Turning around quickly and blindly firing your gun doesn't seem like a good tactic. Please elaborate.

For what it's worth, I feel like there is something missing from the story as well.
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Pure common sense. I hope some of you advocating cop killing read this. No way there isn't more to this story.
 
A whole lot of gnashing of teeth and rending of garments over a second hand report, rumor, and innuendo. Without solid facts there's nothing to talk about.

The OP can start a new thread if/when there's any meaningful follow up from the PD.
 
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