Why Would A Florida Pistol Range Ask For My CCW?

[Frank Ettin]

You may need to offer an example of how I'm embellishing? I'll be glad to address it if need be, you just didn't offer an example for this skepticism.

It's all in my posts. I'm not going to repeat myself.

 

[ny32182]

Only way to be sure is to get rid of your CCW, DL, known address, utility bills, and go off the grid.

Seriously, I think you need to do a better job of articulating what harm you anticipate could happen and then draw any kind of line from "gun store counter jockey saw I have a CCW" to said harm.

If you are in a gun range, it is a pretty good assumption you have a CCW, or would be the type of person to get one.

As mentioned, due to suicides with rental guns, some commercial ranges started a policy of only allowing you on the range if you brought your own gun, or have a carry permit, basically showing that you already have access to a gun and don't need theirs if you just want to kill yourself.

Maybe it was something about that.

Without counter guy's side of the story, it is all speculation.

I've used mine several times even outside of gun businesses because I don't carry around my passport, and occasionally "two forms of government ID" are required. Here it is just another government issued ID. I don't know how they do it in FL.

Also it exempts you from the NICS check here too, so any time I'm getting a transfer they see it then too.

 

[CLP]

Ignore the others trying to get you to calm down. There's no doubt you were entered into the global database. You might even be under surveillance as you read this. If you transfer all your firearms to me then I can personally assure you that I'll remove you from "the list".
Time is of the essence. You must act quick.

 

[Onewolf]

My local (private) gun club asks for CCW information when you apply to join. I don't have a problem with that.

 

[The White Tiger]

The only time I have shown my CCP is to avoid the 3 day wait period to purchase a firearm. Anyone needing that information isn't entitled to it. We've already established that it was my fault for not recognizing that the CCP was stuck to my license. The concept at play here is that should not have mattered.

What you're suggesting is that if I'd accidentally left my wallet at a restaurant, and after getting in my car I realize it, and go back into the restaurant - to assume it would be alright for them to have made a copy of whatever information they deemed worthy of copying for reference.

I asked for comment as to why a gun range would need/copy my CCP, because I simply couldn't imagine why they would need it? When I asked guy at the counter, he didn't have an answer - and the one answer that doesn't assume I'm paranoid (I already know that) is the one I'm going to follow-up on: calling the range owner and asking why it was done. Maybe they'll enlighten me. Otherwise, the permit to carry concealed, is not anyone else's business. It's on a "need to know" basis, and if my gun range just "wants" it...too bad.

We'll see.

To clear something up, just because you're at a gun range, there should not be an assumption that folks have a CCP. I know of many friends who have firearms who don't have a CCP. Many of them carry firearms in their vehicle...all perfectly legally. The idea behind a CCP is that no one knows I carry - otherwise we wouldn't need one.

For those out of state-rs: in the state of Florida, the sheriff does not issue a CCP. The Department of Agriculture issues them - not even our sheriff's are allowed to know who's carrying. Most of them are just fine with that - for those who aren't - the state says it's none of their business...so, back to my question: if the state doesn't think a sheriff is entitled to know who carries...why should it be any of a privately owned gun range's business?

It's ok if you don't know, but I'm looking for a viable reason. I'll post a follow up with the range owner's explanation.

 

[ny32182]

Call the range and ask. No one here can read their minds.

Profiling works, and it is pretty easy to guess you are a gun owner and/or CCW holder if you patronize a gun range. I'd bet 99% of the people that walk in there on any given day are not brand new first time potential shooters.

 

[The White Tiger]

Sounds trivial... for now.

It makes sense at some level. A permit is a pretty good indication that you are not a criminal practicing up for your next job, or a depression case renting a gun to shoot yourself. Not foolproof, but a range near here has had bad publicity from both instances and if they are not requiring lane renters to show a CCW, I would not be surprised to see them add it.

See again, the purpose of a concealed carry permit is that YOU know you're carrying, but no one else does.

You certainly understand the direction we seem to be drifting in this country - that gun owners are narrow-minded and negligent and the cause behind all of the gun violence in the country today.

By ignoring the risk of true imbeciles demanding that we allow the government to suspend due process by A) placing names of US citizens on "watch lists" (i.e. the list the FBI is asking retailers to send them for people who buy bulk/storage food), then B) Allow our legislators to throw around the concept of denying RIGHTS to legal citizens who APPEAR on a federal WATCH list. What you're doing today may be perfectly acceptable to LEO's, or state/federal lawmakers...but what happens IF five years from now something you've done falls out of favor with the federal authorities (like you've suddenly been noted to make bulk purchases of scary AR15 ammunition on the internet - or that you've bought bulk ammo AND bulk food on the internet...and you're NOT mormon...)?

Whoever thought it would be a good idea to fight terrorism (which is itself illegal, and therefore banned) with gun control laws (i.e. banning law abiding citizens due to the behaviors of those who do NOT obey laws for religious or political manifesto purposes)? It's like they don't understand that murder is already banned.

We allow law to erode rights by allowing small oversteps to become routine. That's what's at question here. If the guy behind the counter doesn't have a legal expectation of obtaining my CCP, he doesn't have the right to store my information just because I accidentally gave it to him. I think what made me most suspicious is when I asked why he'd copied it and all I got was a joke that the reason he copied it was to give it to the global database....

Like I said, I'll update the post once I speak to the gun range owner. He was at lunch when I called earlier.

 

[The White Tiger]

Call the range and ask. No one here can read their minds.

Profiling works, and it is pretty easy to guess you are a gun owner and/or CCW holder if you patronize a gun range. I'd bet 99% of the people that walk in there on any given day are not brand new first time potential shooters.

Yeah, "stop & frisk" worked in NYC...but, in retrospect, profiling is only acceptable when is not YOU being profiled. Besides it's NEVER even been legal? Some say ending all gun sales in the state would work better. As a matter of fact those same do-gooders who implemented "stop & frisk" just wanted to bridge the gap between the period of time folks in NY could own guns, and the coming period when no New Yorker could..for their own good (of course).

Bad ideas don't always sound so bad when politicians are paid to say them.

 

[Predator55]

He didn't ask for it, it fell out and he picked it up. I wouldn't worry about it, and next time just make sure you know what's coming out of your wallet.

 

[Frank Ettin]

...I asked for comment as to why a gun range would need/copy my CCP, because I simply couldn't imagine why they would need it?...

What makes you think they needed it? By your own statements, no one at the gun range asked for it. You gave it to the counter guy.

This whole thread is based on a false premise.

So we're done here.`