Why You Camp/Hike with Enough Gun

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Hikers are usually villified on hiking boards if they mention firearm carry.

However, this story should be enough to remind folks that they call it the wild for a reason.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/14/bear.attack.ap/index.html

Six-year-old camper killed by bear
Hunt for black bear is on

Friday, April 14, 2006; Posted: 5:25 p.m. EDT (21:25 GMT)

BENTON, Tennessee (AP) -- Using traps baited with honey buns and doughnuts, authorities Friday tried to capture a potentially crazed black bear that killed a 6-year-old girl and mauled her mother and 2-year-old brother.

It was only the second documented attack on a human by a black bear in modern Tennessee history, said state Wildlife Resources Agency spokesman Dan Hicks.

The attack took place Thursday at a waterfall near a campground in the Cherokee National Forest, where rangers said the animal might have been suffering from a disease that affected its behavior.

"It's a pretty rare thing. Black bears generally don't attack people," ranger Monty Williams said.

Witnesses said the bear snatched up the boy in its mouth as the mother and other visitors tried to fend it off with sticks and rocks. The 6-year-old girl ran away but was later found dead about 100 yards down the trail, a bear standing over her, authorities said.

A rescuer fired a shot that scared the animal off, Hicks said.

Both the mother and boy were listed in critical condition at a Chattanooga hospital but were expected to recover. The boy suffered head wounds, mostly likely from being bitten, while the mother had eight puncture wounds to the neck and too many others to count elsewhere on her body, doctors said.

Authorities have not been able to talk to the mother because of her injuries. "She may not remember the attack at all," Hicks said.

Authorities would not release the victims' names but said the family was from Ohio.

Lynn Rogers of the North American Bear Center in Ely, Minnesota, said that there have been only 56 documented killings of humans by black bears in North America in the past 100 years. Rogers said the current population of black bears in North America is around 750,000, and there is generally fewer than one killing a year.

In May 2000, a woman was killed by a black bear near Gatlinburg as she walked on a trail near a Smoky Mountains campground.

Joe Clark, a wildlife ecologist with the U.S. Geological Service who has been studying black bears for about 20 years, said injuries or sickness can make them more aggressive.

"I've never experienced any type of aggression in all my time in the woods," he said. "Typically you won't encounter one because they sense your presence a long time before you sense theirs."

"As the populations of people and bears continue to grow there will be more opportunities for this type of thing," Clark said. "We are dealing with a large, powerful wild animal."

Authorities at the Cherokee National Forest set out traps for the bear and said that if the animal is captured it will be killed so tests can be done to determine if it was ill.

"We may never find it," Hicks said. "It may be on the top of another mountain by now."

The attack occurred in a mountainous area, 10 miles from the nearest highway. The national forest covers 1,000 square miles along the Tennessee-North Carolina line.

No more than six groups of campers were at the campground at the time, and they were evacuated after the attack, Hicks said.

He said that this is the time of year when bears are usually active, and that there have been 42 bear sightings in the area in the past couple of weeks.
 
A rescuer fired a shot that scared the animal off, Hicks said.
I saw the video of that story this morning. In that report, they said one of the rangers (or wardens, or whoever responded) shot at the bear and actually hit it and it escaped wounded, and then they started hunting it. I don't know which version is correct, wounded or not, or if they've caught up with it yet.
 
That is why I always carry, even at home. Had a bear breakin attempt at my home about 18 months ago. Dog chased it off, but you never know with bears, mountain lions and human opportunists. I have had the most troubles with the human variety of predator.
 
I read that someone shot at the bear but no blood trail was found.

I'm thinking I need a Glock 20 in 10mm?

I just missed a consignment sale of a S&W model 60 in .357 with a 3inch barrel .., that might make a nice hinking gun too.
 
Depends on where you go a-hiking and what you might run into. Bears, Cats, Wolves(?), 2-legged ner-do-wells, rabid skunks, venomous snakes, BigFoot...

Just like CCW in a city, one needs to tune into the surrounding environment and not allow self and children (especially children) to "ditty-bop" in a condition white, la-de-da mode. One should always have some type of implement for defense of self and family at hand and should not have that right infringed by any, at the risk of repeating myself, by ANY, Gov't agency when THEY are not my keeper, my mother or my dad and things are out there that can, and will, eat you or yours.

But whaddaIknow?
 
Heres a story about bringing enough gun. An older gentleman I know was hiking out west in the 60's when he was charged by a grizzly bear or brown bear (I don't remember which.) He killed it with one shot between the eyes using his Ruger MK1.
 
The Cherokee National Forest (where this incident occurred) should re-think their current policy:

"Use, possession or transportation of firearms, bow & arrows and other arms or ammunition are prohibited, except during designated hunting seasons. While possessing a firearm for the purpose of hunting you must have a valid state hunting license in your possession for the species you intend to hunt. The firearm possessed must be of the type legal for hunting the species that are in season. Firearms must be unloaded during transport. While camping firearms must remain in camp except during legal hunting hours."
source:http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/cherokee/faq2003/
 
I dont care what the postings in the area say, I dont camp without my Redhawk.


Stupid laws are there to give you something to ignore.
 
when i go for a walk in the woods, i usually carry a Dan Wesson 15-2HV, with hollow point 357's in it... bears are kind of rare in my neck of the woods, but not totally unheard of... even seen 1 or 2 muself over the years... NOT something i care to screw around with...
 
Hikers are usually villified on hiking boards if they mention firearm carry.

This is pathetic considering that often times humans in the woods can be far more dangerous than any other animal. In January of this year about 40 miles south of Gaineville two Sante Fe Community College students from Gainesville were killed while camping in the Ocala National Forest. The killer (Leo Boatman) was a 19 year old that stole an AK from him uncle and shot the two students in cold blood for no aparent reason. If I recall correctly the Ocala National Forest was also the scene of one of serial killer Aileen Wuornos' killings. I agree with others that any law banning firearms in a national forest is stupid. People need to be able defend themselves regardless of what type of animal (human's included) it is attacking them.
 
If the gun was a 380, then it was a 380. First I heard that. Enough gun? I would use whatever I got and in many cases it would be a 22. This incident does make you rethink some of your choices for general woods carry. You can pretty much run into a Black Bear anywhere in the Eastern US.
 
Here's another "rare incident" posted in today's news...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/04/16/mt.lion.attack.ap/index.html

Mountain lion attacks 7-year-old hiker
Boy suffers puncture wounds; cat later killed by wildlife officer

Sunday, April 16, 2006; Posted: 9:47 a.m. EDT (13:47 GMT)

BOULDER, Colorado (AP) -- A 7-year-old boy hiking with his family was attacked Saturday by a mountain lion, officials said. The cat was later killed by a wildlife officer.

The mountain lion bit the boy's head or jaw, and the child also suffered puncture wounds or scrapes on his legs, likely from the animal's claws, Division of Wildlife spokesman Tyler Baskfield said.

The boy, whose name was not released, was apparently the last in a single-file line of seven other people taking a short hike at a scenic area of Flagstaff Mountain, Baskfield said.

"The father turned and saw the cat had a hold of the young boy," he said. The group began screaming at the cat and throwing rocks and was able to free the boy, he said.

The group was 50 yards from a parking lot when the cat attacked, Baskfield said.

The boy was initially listed in stable condition at Boulder Community Hospital. He was later transferred to The Children's Hospital in Denver, Baskfield said, but he did not know the boy's condition.

An officer fatally shot the cat early Sunday in the same area of the attack, Baskfield said. It was killed in the interest of public safety, he said.

Baskfield said the mountain is prime habitat for the cats, and there had been several recent sightings of mountain lions west of Boulder.

"This is a very rare incident to happen," Baskfield said. "Mountain lions tend to be very elusive. Typically mountain lions don't want any part of people."
 
Hikers are usually villified on hiking boards if they mention firearm carry.

Did you ever read "Backpacker" or "Outdoor" magazine? I cancelled my subsriptions years ago as they are far left, ultra liberal and very anti-gun and everything else we value. When I hike, backpack or camp, I'm armed wherever I go.
 
Myself, wife, and young son often camp around Upstate NY. We always have our 357 wheelies loaded.

Signs or no signs, what cannot be seen is not noticed.
 
Camping, dad n son BOTH carry either 357's or 44mag. We've had to back out of a few bear encounters.......so far, without having to use them. I'd rather have em and not need one than the alternative.
Dan
 
"Typically you won't encounter one because they sense your presence a long time before you sense theirs."
Well, I dunno about that ... though I guess I would never know how many times a bear has seen me that I haven't seen him/her.;)

But I have almost stepped on a sleeping black bear twice now (not the same bear) and I have found bears in general to be pretty easy to sneak up on. Their sense of smell is supposed to be phenomenal, but their hearing and sight aren't much to brag about.

I have actually followed bears around for a while, and if you stay downwind and stop moving when they look towards you, you can get awfully close :uhoh:
 
I agree with others that any law banning firearms in a national forest is stupid.

Carry in National Forests is usually OK if carry in the same state is OK. It's carry in National Parks that is out. Still stupid though :fire:
 
I never went into the woods up in the
woods around fairbanks AK without
being armed.Mossberg 500 with slugs
and S&W M 28 were my companions.
 
Speaking of hiking with firearms... I'm kinda lazy and am curious... Is it legal to carry SBR's or machine guns in the woods for self-defense? I know it isnt during hunting season in most states, but, say in KY...? I have a Yugoslavian M92 SBR that I think would be a wonderful camp gun for those long hiking trips. 30 rounds of 7.62x39mm would be a great deterent for both two and four legged predators.
 
Let sleeping bears lie...

But I have almost stepped on a sleeping black bear twice now...
Um, why would you want to do that?:neener:

Such a tragic story, and I was shocked to hear the bear attacked because black bears are not aggressive.:(

My husband & I went off-roading in a rented Mercury Marquis :rolleyes: in Northern California many years ago. We were driving some mountain road when we spotted a small bear up ahead. I began rolling up my window while my husband yelled for me to get the camera so he could take pictures!:D The bear ran away from us and all we ended up with was a black blur against a backdrop of evergreen trees. That and our memories.

I'd definitely carry if I'm going into the woods. More in the case of the two legged predator than the four.:eek:
 
A couple of years back I went hiking with my daughter up near Moose Lake in the Western Adirondacks. I carried my P99 and an extra mag. The firearm was for the two legged creatures rather than the four legged. I have since carried a Mod.27 in the woods. I like the .357. I carry two speed loaders with me as well.

The .357 is large enough for taking on a Black bear as well as a miscreant. I may start carrying a Model 10 though. The odds of being attacked by a Black bear are awful low round these parts. I think the .38 should do the trick. Maybe I'll carry the 10 on my hip and put the 27 in my pack. Just a thought.
 
Just had a blurb on cablenews that local forest officials think they've killed the bear involved in the attack. No other details.
 
PATH - "Maybe I'll carry the 10 on my hip and put the 27 in my pack. Just a thought."
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I don't see the logic in that. Why carry two guns, one "for bad guys," and one "for bad bears?" If a "bad bear" comes at you, you'll not have time to get your 27 out of your backpack.

Why not just carry your S&W 27, which will handle BOTH?? :confused:

L.W.
 
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