Why you don't want Concealed Carry at Work

[usmarine0352_2005]

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According to many people you shouldn't have concealed carry at work because it is to dangerous for employees and many business's protect their employees with their own security measures. (This is especially notable with the new CCW law in WI that hasn't been signed yet - and a lot of business owners are opting out in allowing gun owners to carry in their business.)



This is why CCW is important nearly everywhere. You shouldn't check your Constitutional rights at the door of your workplace.




http://www.startribune.com/nation/124498003.html

Police say man accused of wounding co-worker in Ore. repair shop shooting is owners' son

Article by: Associated Press
Updated: June 25, 2011 - 2:22 AM


EUGENE, Ore. - Police say an Oregon man accused of shooting and wounding a co-worker at a Eugene equipment repair shop is the son of the shop's owners.

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[SharpsDressedMan]

I have no problem with a business requesting that employees not be armed, as long as they are paying for enough qualified secuity people to protect their employees from "whatever". Since no employer is rich enough, nor inclined, to do so, then I guess employees should be able to make their own decision over that matter.

 

[oneounceload]

Then maybe you will also understand and accept them deducting the insurance costs from your paycheck? Maybe it might cost an employee 3-6 bucks and hour from his check - any volunteers?

 

[bcp280z]

I read my handbook before starting at the restaurant I'm at now, it does not mention no firearms, so I've had my 38 on me since day one. I'm sure if mgmt found out they would not be thrilled, but whatever, it's my right to protect me and my own. People just need to learn self control. Sure work pisses me off alot, but I don't put my hand anywhere near it during the day, tis mainly for walking to the truck after closing and the off chance some one chooses to rob restaurant.

 

[ObsidianOne]

I completely agree. My work literally threw a fit because I had a S&W 4" pocket knife. Understandable, but when I asked if I could instead bring a Swiss Army knife they still told me I'd be in violation of workplace rules :|

 

[N003k]

The one big problem really DOES come down to employers insurance cost. I currently work at a large clothing retailer, and the company undoubtedly pay a ton of money in insurance every year, and also looks for anyway to cut costs, such as not even turning the non-emergency lights on until 20minutes prior to the stores opening. I can't possibly see them opting to directly allow employees to carry at work because of this.

That said, given it's an anchor store of a mall, with 5 public entrances, I would feel more secure carrying on the job. It's not worth my job to do so though, so I settle for knowing all the non-public entrances/exits, and how all the stock rooms around the store connect.

The store has a 4 person loss prevention team, with no training whatsoever, and the mall has security that just recently got segways, and wear uniforms vaguely reminiscent of the state police uniform, but not even mace as far as I can tell. So...I'm not going to rely on EITHER of them to protect me, and when I'm off the job, I do carry in the mall, and my employers store.

 

[clutch]

I'd be happy if I could keep my carry gun in my auto so I'd be armed on the way to and from work. No guns on company property, not even locked in your car disarms a lot of people with CCW permits.

As far as carrying in the facility. At some point you have to recognize property rights.

From what I heard on GRRN, you can keep your carry gun in your car in a company parking lot in Indiana due to recent changes in the law. If I could get that, I'd be pretty happy.

I'm an industrial maintenance tech. I crawl in, over, through machines adjusting, troubleshooting and repairing them. If I could bring my gun in the plant, I wouldn't because it would get in the way for me and often it could be pointed at people due to the position my body is often contorted into.

Now, my company extends their no weapons policy to me going to training in my personal vehicle. It is my car, it isn't theirs. At some point policies like this have to be countered by employers being fully liable if something bad happens to the employee that had he or she not been disarmed could have mitigated the situation. As it is, employers are protecting themselves with no care to how the the employee is put at risk. That needs to change.

Clutch

 

[SleepyDave]

Now, if I had to take a mall security job, I think I would atleast have the dignity to take one look at the Segway, call my boss a rude name, and then never use it. Seriously, i'd change my nick to Paul Blart.

 

[oneounceload]

From what I heard on GRRN, you can keep your carry gun in your car in a company parking lot in Indiana due to recent changes in the law. If I could get that, I'd be pretty happy.

FL allows this

 

[Mike1234567]

I can't CC at work because I work at a federal facility.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

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Here's a quote from company owner in WI who says he isn't going to allow guns. He should probably hear about the above story.


http://www.biztimes.com/blogs/milwa...xecutives-are-not-embracing-conceal-and-carry

Jaime Maliszewski, president of RPW Inc., Milwaukee: ".....and there is no need for protection, as only our people are allowed in the plant.”

Well, the guy who shot up the workplace....he would have been one of your "people".



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[Deltaboy1984]

I teach school and Federal and State Law in TX forbid me from wearing it inside the building.

 

[Ed N.]

I have no problem with a business requesting that employees not be armed, as long as they are paying for enough qualified secuity people to protect their employees from "whatever".

I guess when it's a security guard who's the killer you're just out of luck:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/statements/archbald.html

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

 

[230therapy]

It's very simple. Exempt the company from all civil liability and prevent the insurance company from changing the rates on such companies. The insurance companies are heavily regulated already; this is not a big leap.

As for "danger":

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

--Thomas Jefferson

 

[RX-178]

Jaime Maliszewski, president of RPW Inc., Milwaukee: ".....and there is no need for protection, as only our people are allowed in the plant.”

In order to be fair on this particular comment, here is the full statement from Jaime Maliszewski:

Jaime Maliszewski, president of RPW Inc., Milwaukee said “maybe” he will carry a concealed weapon. When asked about his workplace, he said, “Not in the plant. We have a very corrosive environment, and it would cause rust, and we are very safe from outside forces, and there is no need for protection, as only our people are allowed in the plant.”

 

[Taurus 66]

Jaime Maliszewski, president of RPW Inc., Milwaukee said “maybe” he will carry a concealed weapon. When asked about his workplace, he said, “Not in the plant. We have a very corrosive environment, and it would cause rust, and we are very safe from outside forces, and there is no need for protection, as only our people are allowed in the plant.”

RAT!

 

[ms6852]

I work at a military hospital so it is federal grounds...not allowed. Just glad I was not working in Fort Hood.

 

[Ignition Override]

Several people I work with (now and then) have gone through the most unique, specialized training facility for it, and their only jurisdiction is in a very tiny, small space. They train in NM and the only gun allowed is an HK .40 caliber.

They are Federal Flight Deck Officers.

 

[tarosean]

No guns on company property, not even locked in your car disarms a lot of people with CCW permits.

This has been the rule at most corporations Ive worked at.

However.. Currently, my office is guarded, by 4 Aug carrying guard members, 1 truck mounted M60, 6 elevated bunkers with M60's, and a LLR 81 launcher. I am not too worried about CCW. (I am not military)

 

[digsigs226]

Currently, my office is guarded, by 4 Aug carrying guard members, 1 truck mounted M60, 6 elevated bunkers with M60's, and a LLR 81 launcher. I am not too worried about CCW.

Holy Smokes... I AM military and we don't get anywhere near that level of protection!

 

[CharlesT]

Family business means whatever I want to do.

Guy got shot down the street a couple of years ago.

It is considered to be a safe area, by most. But the way I see it; It only takes one idiot to make it un-safe for everyone. And us having something for sale that can fit in the palm of your hand which costs $400, means I would like to be armed.

The only thing that is bad, is that I am 19 and can't get a CHL until 21. So if I carry there it's a bit tricky. It's my property so it's legal. But, I park across the street in a "business" lot. It's not really legal for me to go from the car to the store with a firearm. So most of the time I can't carry.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by SharpsDressedMan:
I have no problem with a business requesting that employees not be armed, as long as they are paying for enough qualified secuity people to protect their employees from "whatever". Since no employer is rich enough, nor inclined, to do so, then I guess employees should be able to make their own decision over that matter.

I agree that the employer should have qualified security people.
And I agree that the employees should make the decision whether they want to work there or not. They should not carry against their employees wishes. It is taking the low road as they agreed to follow the rules of the business when they were hired.

If they don't like it they are free to find new employment or start their own business if they wish.

It is an issue of property rights and not 2nd Amendment rights. My property rights should override your 2nd Amendment rights on my property.

 

[EddieNFL]

I can't CC at work because I work at a federal facility.

I'm subjected to an intensive background investigation over the course of several months costing tens of thousands of dollars and allowed access to classified weapons, but I can't be trusted with a handgun. Hmmmmmmmmm

 

[EddieNFL]

However.. Currently, my office is guarded, by 4 Aug carrying guard members, 1 truck mounted M60, 6 elevated bunkers with M60's, and a LLR 81 launcher. I am not too worried about CCW. (I am not military)

A soldier from the U.S. 101st Airborne Division in Kuwait allegedly attacked a command center tent Saturday, throwing two grenades and firing his weapon at fellow soldiers. The assault killed one American and wounded 15.

Probably a one time incident.

 

[EddieNFL]

They should not carry against their employees wishes. It is taking the low road as they agreed to follow the rules of the business when they were hired.

I would not hesitate to violate a company policy if I felt it necessary...high road, low road, no road. How many here have said, "I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by six."

It is an issue of property rights and not 2nd Amendment rights.

Don't ask, don't tell. Property "rights" are violated everyday and the "victims" obliviously go about their business.