WonderNine
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Ya...I was extremely drunk when I posted that. So sue me
I .223 will stop a grizzly, that is fact.
Will a .223 stop a Grizzly?
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Ya...I was extremely drunk when I posted that. So sue me
I .223 will stop a grizzly, that is fact.
Sir Galahad
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Wondernine, let me give you a friendly piece of advice. You shouldn't open your mouth when you're drunk. Obviously, you didn't know what you were saying. Therefore, whatever you say will be suspect after your admission.
Now about the Grizz. I'm waiting for you to face the Grizz with a .223 if you can find somewhere where that would be legal to do. I am dead serious. Unless you can back that up, you're just spouting hot air. It is not a fact unless it is a repeatable thing. Just like all the people claiming to have invented cold fusion. Not one has been able to replicate that in a scientific experiment to back up what they say. Now, maybe someone got extremely lucky one time and downed a Grizz with a .223, but that does not a bear-stopper make. So, I see you here making the claim. Now I'd like to see the sand to prove it. So I'll see your .223 and I call. Prove it. The bets are on the table. Let's see those cards.
Now about the Grizz. I'm waiting for you to face the Grizz with a .223 if you can find somewhere where that would be legal to do. I am dead serious. Unless you can back that up, you're just spouting hot air. It is not a fact unless it is a repeatable thing. Just like all the people claiming to have invented cold fusion. Not one has been able to replicate that in a scientific experiment to back up what they say. Now, maybe someone got extremely lucky one time and downed a Grizz with a .223, but that does not a bear-stopper make. So, I see you here making the claim. Now I'd like to see the sand to prove it. So I'll see your .223 and I call. Prove it. The bets are on the table. Let's see those cards.
PATH
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GRIZZY BIG! BROWN BEAR BIG!
THey weigh over a thousand pounds and can run as fast as a race horse over short distances. Add angry bear and it gets as scary as one could imagine. I would not want to be holding an AR whilst trying to stop a large bear. A black bear fine! A Grizzly or Brown, no thank you!
In Bear country small caliber bad, big monster caliber good!
Remember that a large bear can disembowel you with one swipe!
Please, I implore everyone here on this board, carry large in big bear country! Save people money on flowers and sympathy cards!
THey weigh over a thousand pounds and can run as fast as a race horse over short distances. Add angry bear and it gets as scary as one could imagine. I would not want to be holding an AR whilst trying to stop a large bear. A black bear fine! A Grizzly or Brown, no thank you!
In Bear country small caliber bad, big monster caliber good!
Remember that a large bear can disembowel you with one swipe!
Please, I implore everyone here on this board, carry large in big bear country!
Save people money on flowers and sympathy cards!
Yes.
Shoot the guy next to you with the 223, the bear will stop to eat him.
I'm suprised in a thread this long someone else hasn't said it.
Shoot the guy next to you with the 223, the bear will stop to eat him.
I'm suprised in a thread this long someone else hasn't said it.
dude
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HA!!!
.............it's about time
I've been waithing for this one: Never go into Brown Bear county with someone you can't outrun!!
.............it's about time
I've been waithing for this one: Never go into Brown Bear county with someone you can't outrun!!
Mark
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Alan,
What a fun thread. Some very interesting posts, but please let me answer your question.
The answer to your question is no, you would not be wasting your time. Attempting to defend yourself and family is not a waste of time. Unfortunately, unless you were carrying about 49 horse shoes and several hundred rabbit's feet you would still be dead or worse very quickly.
In the scenario you describe a grizzly encounter would be the least of your worries. It's the two legged animals you would need to be concerned about.
What a fun thread. Some very interesting posts, but please let me answer your question.
The answer to your question is no, you would not be wasting your time. Attempting to defend yourself and family is not a waste of time. Unfortunately, unless you were carrying about 49 horse shoes and several hundred rabbit's feet you would still be dead or worse very quickly.
In the scenario you describe a grizzly encounter would be the least of your worries. It's the two legged animals you would need to be concerned about.
stevelyn
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I have friends and family who were raised in rural Alaska and as a matter of practice had always taken a hi-cap .223 when out in a boat or snowmachine. The bears in the interior are generally smaller than their coastal cousins. The idea was that the large number of rounds would stop a charge. But the idea is to practice bear avoidance.
I have since moved to coastal Alaska and after having to deal with bears here on a nightly basis during summer months my first line of defense for an encounter is an 870 stoked Brenneke slugs. If it's a case of having to find a bear and put him down, I rely on .35 cal and up.
I have since moved to coastal Alaska and after having to deal with bears here on a nightly basis during summer months my first line of defense for an encounter is an 870 stoked Brenneke slugs. If it's a case of having to find a bear and put him down, I rely on .35 cal and up.
Mute
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A .223 stop a grizzly? Sure! When the grizzly is completely constipated after having ingested you and your rifle, I'm sure he'd be completely immobile.
I like Marks idea up to a point, although I think I would would pack something besides rabbits foots. My thinking is that if it didn't work the first time (for the rabbit) I don't want to bet that it work the second.
While interesting what exactly are we determining here? Every body knows a .223 is too small for bear, but if its all you got then its alot better than nothing.
Next topic: .223 vs. rouge elephant on Ecstasy .
Matt
While interesting what exactly are we determining here? Every body knows a .223 is too small for bear, but if its all you got then its alot better than nothing.
Next topic: .223 vs. rouge elephant on Ecstasy .
Matt
Sir Galahad
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Must be a peach of a hand...
But it looks like Wondernine was bluffing and folded. So I think it's safe to say people saying .223 will stop Griz are just, well, people that like to talk.
But it looks like Wondernine was bluffing and folded. So I think it's safe to say people saying .223 will stop Griz are just, well, people that like to talk.
Sir Galahad
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There is also a documented case of a woman struck by a meteorite while lying in bed when that meteorite that came through her roof. But the chances of you being struck by a meteorite while in bed, well....let's say no one is going to place even longshot bets on it. Kind of like placing bets on a guy to survive shooting a Griz with a .22LR. Good way to lose money.
gun-fucious
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OK how about a backpack fed 5.56 mini gun? or an under slung 40mm M203?
In bear country it might be prudent to re upper with something from Tony Rumore:
http://www.tromix.com/Tromix_458.htm
http://www.tromix.com/Projects_o_Tromix.htm
still, plenty of bigger cave bears were dispatched via the pointy stick and yelling method,
IMHO, an AR15 in 5.56 is a tad better than a pointy stick
In bear country it might be prudent to re upper with something from Tony Rumore:
http://www.tromix.com/Tromix_458.htm
http://www.tromix.com/Projects_o_Tromix.htm
still, plenty of bigger cave bears were dispatched via the pointy stick and yelling method,
IMHO, an AR15 in 5.56 is a tad better than a pointy stick
Sir Galahad
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A pointy stick makes a bigger hole, than a .223; even more so if tipped with Clovis or Folsom points. The flip side to that coin is that Paleolithic hunting was a dangerous undertaking. Also, Paleolithic man hunted in packs, not alone. So the risk was offset by strength in numbers. Even so, plenty were certainly killed not only by bears, but by aurochs, wooly mammoth, and other large game. If Paleolithic man could lay hands on a firearm, you can be assured it would not be a .223. Knapped spear points and even atlatl projectile points stayed large until the larger animals such as the mammoth were gone. In a world where a choice between a .223 and a .45/70 is just a trip down to the gun shop and not having to knap the thing out of a flint nodule, I fail to see the reason why the .223 is even proposed for grizzly at all. And the Marlin .45/70 rifle costs less than most ARs, too.
The flip side to that coin is that Paleolithic hunting was a dangerous undertaking. Also, Paleolithic man hunted in packs, not alone. So the risk was offset by strength in numbers. Even so, plenty were certainly killed not only by bears, but by aurochs, wooly mammoth, and other large game. If Paleolithic man could lay hands on a firearm, you can be assured it would not be a .223. Knapped spear points and even atlatl projectile points stayed large until the larger animals such as the mammoth were gone. In a world where a choice between a .223 and a .45/70 is just a trip down to the gun shop and not having to knap the thing out of a flint nodule, I fail to see the reason why the .223 is even proposed for grizzly at all. And the Marlin .45/70 rifle costs less than most ARs, too.Fed168
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Kinda the wrong bear, but a .223 from an HK 53 will stop a black bear.
Gordon
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I never felt unarmed in any post Jurrasic Park with 30 rounds of green tip penetrator in the HK53 or Car -15. They aren't wearing kevlar and a .22 hole THRU the bruin wound be better than any thing that won't penetrate deeply enough. That said I use a .375H&H and own a .470Nitro.
sm
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Many years ago a feller goes on a bear/fishing trip. Been up since dawn fly -fishing, comes in to nap...his rifle in the other tent, everyone is away from camp. Mr. Bear doesn't knock, but gets partially into tent. Ruger MK II 22lr kills bear. LUCK, pure luck, he shot for the eyes. Even though he got his one bear...he slept with his rifle after that.
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Ok,
I can't resist..........
It was a cold and misty day on the Ak Pennisula. The steep cliffs of Yantari Bay eriely echoed the reverberating sound of the pounding surf and sea gulls continiously called out as if to warn the humans of his presense.
Bubba the tourist wanna be bear hunter thumbed the safety on his custom Rigby double stopping rifle. He had complete confidence in this fine double as he had been told by numerous gun store commandos that it was in fact the best stopping rifle built and that a double in .223 was so rare that only a select few would own one.
Bubba was one of the few the stupid the micro caliber stopping gun owners. He had on two occasions used this rifle to stop "fuzzy bugsy death" at short range and once had even killed the rare and elusive "Spotted bambi death of Mississippi".
Bubba was pulled from his lacsadical slack jawed state by a short gruff chuff and a crashing of alder brush at less than 50 feet away.
THE END..........................................
I can't resist..........
It was a cold and misty day on the Ak Pennisula. The steep cliffs of Yantari Bay eriely echoed the reverberating sound of the pounding surf and sea gulls continiously called out as if to warn the humans of his presense.
Bubba the tourist wanna be bear hunter thumbed the safety on his custom Rigby double stopping rifle. He had complete confidence in this fine double as he had been told by numerous gun store commandos that it was in fact the best stopping rifle built and that a double in .223 was so rare that only a select few would own one.
Bubba was one of the few the stupid the micro caliber stopping gun owners. He had on two occasions used this rifle to stop "fuzzy bugsy death" at short range and once had even killed the rare and elusive "Spotted bambi death of Mississippi".
Bubba was pulled from his lacsadical slack jawed state by a short gruff chuff and a crashing of alder brush at less than 50 feet away.
THE END..........................................
T.Stahl
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I read the authorities on Svalbard (Spitsbergen) specify a minimum caliber of .308 and a minimum m/e of 2900J (2140lbsft) for rifles carry for protection against polar bears.
The also recommend a magazine capacity of at least five rounds.
I'll (hopefully) go there next year with my brother and few friends and plan to carry my Enfield No.4. There'll be two more rifles in our group of six to eight.
The also recommend a magazine capacity of at least five rounds.
I'll (hopefully) go there next year with my brother and few friends and plan to carry my Enfield No.4. There'll be two more rifles in our group of six to eight.
Sir Galahad
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H&Hhunter, LOL!!
nemesis
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Wondernine said.......
Have you ever taken a good close look at a brown bear skull? I'd guess that your idea would work if you could get overhead and shoot straight down through the skull but the flat and boney angularity, as seen head on, will probably just deflect the bullets.
In my personal and very humble opinion, the folks that usually want to assault brown bears with light caliber weapons are usually folks that haven't spent a lot of time around bears. I don't ask that you like bears but you'd best respect them.
Many bears have really bad breath. Have you ever noticed that?
Have you ever taken a good close look at a brown bear skull? I'd guess that your idea would work if you could get overhead and shoot straight down through the skull but the flat and boney angularity, as seen head on, will probably just deflect the bullets.
In my personal and very humble opinion, the folks that usually want to assault brown bears with light caliber weapons are usually folks that haven't spent a lot of time around bears. I don't ask that you like bears but you'd best respect them.
Many bears have really bad breath. Have you ever noticed that?
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