Will the Democrats take the White House in 2008

Will the Democrats win the 2008 Presidential election?

  • Yes

    Votes: 101 45.1%
  • No

    Votes: 57 25.4%
  • Not Sure

    Votes: 66 29.5%

  • Total voters
    224
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Barack Obama is the political equivalent of a manufactured boy-band. A marketing department writes the songs and auditions people to fit the image, and then sells the hell out of them.

He's all empty fluff and style and feelgood platitudes that could have come from Oprah's script writers, but hasn't actually SAID ANYTHING.
 
He's all empty fluff and style and feelgood platitudes that could have come from Oprah's script writers, but hasn't actually SAID ANYTHING.

That wouldn't also describe any other politicians currently in office, would it?
 
If the GOP puts up a RINO, like McCain, Romney, or Guilliani, then the Dems will win.

If the GOP puts up Tancredo, McClintock, Hunter, or a "real" conservative, the Dems won't stand a chance.

Moving both parties further Left appears to be the order of the day though. No sign of anything remotely resembling balls or spine from the GOP. Hillary or Obama will complete the US's journey towards socialism.
 
Yes. The Republicans have run such lousy campaigns I have to figure they will again. Maybe they can find someone charismatic who can get public support. We need a Bill Clinton type Republican. He could talk the ears off of a Jackass, sell ice to eskimoes and sunsine in death valley. He was good. Ya gotta admit. Just a #@*#@ liberal socialist. :cuss:
 
The Dems have been "posturing" Hillary for quite a while, and they're now "grooming" Barack Hussein Obama (Yep, that's his middle name!) over the past few months. Obama is "trying" to make himself look like a "moderate", and that is how he will be "sold" in the news media....but his voting record is left-of-the-left! Obama might accept the VP spot, but there is NO way that Hillary would lower herself to being the VP.

Funny thing, when the Republicans start "posturing" a viable candidate, the Dems AND the news media throws spit wads at them! As of this moment, the Dems would probably have a cake walk if they chose Hillary/Osama (er, Obama) for their ticket.
 
Yep, looks like the Republicans are going to get their heads handed to them in 2008. It dosen't have to be that way, but I am afraid it will. I am a Republican, but I despair at the almost total lack of real statesmen in our party. What a bunch of chamber of commerce gladhanders and spoiled fratboys with nothing better to do! My late friend Sam Francis called the Republicans "The Stupid Party" and the Democrats "The Evil Party." Take yer pick. If the Republicans do it right they can make a comeback in 2008 but they would have to use their brains and I ain't bettin on it. Here is my "Two-Year Plan" for the Elephant:

(1) Out of Iraq by next Christmas
(2) An extremely radical anti-immigration position
(3) A proposal to save jobs by the imposition of tariffs

(2) and (3) will not pass Congress, but the American people will appreciate that SOMEONE is fighting for their interests. If we can keep the White House, then there is at least the possibility to head off a future Assault Rifle Bill.
 
fourays2 said:
no-one in flyover country is going to vote for someone called osama.

I didn't know anyone named "osama" was being talked about as being a contender... Where's he from? Republican, or Democrat? Other?

DesertShooter said:
they're now "grooming" Barack Hussein Obama (Yep, that's his middle name!)

And? The name "Hussein" is as common as the name "Smith". What of it?

This is a prime example of why I'll never again align myself with the Republican Party. I mean, I'll never register "D" for obvious reasons, but it just seems to me that the Republican Party is the party of mean, small-minded bullies. They're best typified by these name-callers, who care more what a person calls himself than what his character says about him. The phrase "Republican statesman" has become as much an oxymoron as "jumbo shrimp".

If such a candidate comes forward, I'll happily support him (or her) but until then, who do you have? McCain? Newt? Jeb? Please...
 
I'm not sure, but I voted "yes" anyway, because I see it either being a Democrat, or a complete anti-freedom RINO like McCain or a NYC mayor.
 
Bush continues to look like someone with a cognitive deficit. If the Iraq situation continues to rot and he just mouths - the road to success, we are going to win - without some coherent and successes, the GOP candidate will have to denounce him. A conservative candidate will have to denounce Bush just as strongly as a moderate Repub.

Given the country is 50/50 I think it is not realistic to think that a gun list version of a pure conservative will bring voters out of the attic. The choir talking to the choir doesn't take into account that the Bush flirtation with the more extreme social conservatives will mobilize opposition to another in that vein. The country wants moderates and folks who will brand Bush as a failure.

This analysis is worth what you paid for it.
 
GEM, before condemning Bush to the "worst presidents" list, wait ten to twenty years. That's the usual timeframe for historians to sort out what happened, what the results were, and who deserves the credit or blame.
 
A lot can happen between now and then, but I think they have some factors in their favor:
1) momentum from the midterm elections just past
2) unpopular war in Iraq and resulting backlash against Republicans
3) high profile "media darling" candidates like Obama and Hilary
4) lack of compelling Republican candidates (though plenty of time for one to emerge)
5) quarrelling and disunity among different right-leaning factions
6) a guy who the left sees as the Devil Incarnate in the oval office to rile up the commie-lefty-nannystate Democrat base, helping them to forge enough unity to keep them together until after the elections at least

3) is the one that irks me most: both Hilary and Obama are dyed-in-the-wool anti-gun crusaders, and the media just fawns and drools over them. Running for president, they will get a lot of softball questions and gushing positive coverage from the press. Either one of these two could poop their pants in the middle of a speech, and the media would call it "a bold new eco-fertilizer initiative!"
 
Im sort of surprised that many of you seem to think that our gun laws are just as at risk with a dem or rep in office. I am more worried now than ever because it may be a completely dem controlled congress, no granted some of decent gun laws passed have been voted on favorably bt the dems, but I would still trust some sort of checks and balances system by not having both the congress and white house democratically controlled...not that republicans have been great, but I find it hard to believe that Hillary wont try to turn the US into ony big NYC :fire:
 
Unlike probably 99% of the people on this forum, I love President Bush. And I believe that his administration's strategy of pre-emptive attacks in the ME have been in the best interests of the US, and no less selfish than actions of previous presidents who are now regarded as great.

well then, there are at least 200 people on this forum.

living out of america most of the year, i hear what non-americans think of bush. they are scared $h!tle$$ of his proactive stance, and begging for a corrupt mollifier like hellary. they know they can't buy bush, but that she is for sale.

americans are a different kind of people. at the core, we want our politicians to be honest, and sincere, and have hope in the constitutional system. people here in china, and in european countries (according to friends i have discussed the issue with) expect their leaders to be corrupt, and have never learned to hope for better. they don't understand our nationalism, but know we feel a sense of pride in our country. they comment on the american flag on my streetbike, and the nationalism it represents, and freely admit they have none.

some chinese asked me yesterday if their economic situation would be better today if the japanese had held china from 1936. i asked them how many chinese were tortured and murdered before the people as a whole accepted slavery. i told them our english masters were not so cruel, but we walk without their weight on our backs more lightly, nonetheless. most didn't understand.

hellary wants to take me into slavery, one step at a time, and i don't want to go.

"and so, the whole house of israel, of abraham, isaac, and jacob went down into egypt..."
 
Why we need Hillary in 2008

May I offer the counterpoint?

Hillary Clinton is exactly what gun owners need in 2008.

Well, her and a little backbone. We must face facts that a real conservative is not going to receive the Republican nomination: there will not be a Gingrich, Rice, Tancredo, Paul, etc. ticket in 2008. Gingrich, Rice, et al. are the RINOs because Republicans are no longer the party of small government and big liberty but rather on the federal level have drifted into a big government, theocratical regime. In fact, no major or viable conservative or libertarian party exists. Therefore, the real Republicans like McCain or Guiliani will recieve the nomination.

One must concede, therefore, that the next President of the US will be an anti, whether there is a D or R next to the name. The reason that we should prefer Hillary to a Republican is for the simple fact that the House and Senate Republicans will oppose Hillary and Democrat policies as a matter of course but they will gladly cooperate with a Republican president's initiatives. Since the President will be an anti, these will be anti-gun measures. The rounding error in the 50/50 split may be enough to subdue anti-gun bills. These statement only holds if the Democrats can be reliably expected to vote as antis, which is a reasonable assumption.

I believe, at this point, that a Republican president or a Democrat one will offer up an AWB in the 2008-12 timeframe. The difference is that the D one will be harsher and more uproarious. Though we will suffer, I believe it will force the Supreme Courts to grant certiorari to a Second Amendment case and the justicies will use their self-acquired power to arbitrate its meaning. Now is the best point in history to try the case because the justices will only become more leftist with time. The longer we wait, the less chance that originalist justices like Thomas will even be on the court; you can be certain that high profile leftists are dying to take over the reigns of the country's most powerful and unchallengeable unelected legislative body (yes, they have become a 9-man legislature whose decrees become "settled law").

That being said, as Americans, we have been forced into the unpalatable and paradoxical position of pawning our God-given freedom to own guns as a hedge to stave off the inevitable march of socialism and the mindless tyrrany which accompanies it. We may win back our gun rights under Hillary, but the rest of the country will be destroyed by her socialist programs to "help" lowly and incompetent me. (A Republican president may progress down this path more slowly.) I already lose about 33% of my income to direct income taxes just to turn the existing socialism mill --- how much will I lose when villages are raising the children on government welfare? Where will be the spirits of independence and self-reliance upon which our country was founded now that we suck from the tits of government for our very sustenance? We will have no pride left after we bow down to China or Iran because the next leadership of our country will not adopt a pro-America foreign policy as much as an anti-Bush policy.

Bad times ahead.
 
G_T, I don't think we're at the point yet where we can be assured that the makeup of the SC is in our favor. Or at least the point where we could be assured that the court would rule in our favor.

Even if Ginsburg were to step down, Bush doesn't have the ability anymore to get another conservative confirmed. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ginsburg were to step down after Pelosi & Co. take over in January. Bush would be forced to offer up another Souter.
 
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