Will this make the 300 Blackout obsolete?

[68wj]

Hmmm...how cute. Delusion seems to be viral.

Nope, just pointing out that his comment about not seeing as many AK's as AR's in his area was just as valid/invalid as yours. What was cute was the assumption that he is inexperienced because of it.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Nope, just pointing out that his comment about not seeing as many AK's as AR's in his area was just as valid/invalid as yours. What was cute was the assumption that he is inexperienced because of it.

An assumption of an assumption, as I don't recall outwardly name calling, but folks are only apt to see what they want. My range in central MO, more AKs than ARs. South Texas? Seen alot of Saigas in .308. Subjective statements like "ARs are the most popular rifle in the US" are assumptions, or more importantly, a very broad opinion. I don't dispute their popularity. That's not the case in this thread, it's caliber formost, then platform.

So, back to OP topic: I don't think the 300 is going bye bye, as it fills a niche people like having.

 

[Walkalong]

All right guys, lets chill out and keep this interesting thread going, instead of ya ya'ing back and forth about AK vs AR.

 

[meanmrmustard]

All right guys, lets chill out and keep this interesting thread going, instead of ya ya'ing back and forth about AK vs AR.

Apologies. Point I was trying to make. Said what I needed to, so I'm out.

 

[benzy2]

Let's ignore for the moment that one could want it for more than just that. Instead I'd like to focus in on the idea of accuracy. I shoot a lot of wolf ammo .223 ammo through my Noveske, an AR that most people would recognize as being capable of decent accuracy. If I am shooting from field positions with my T1 4 moa dot aimpoint I am not going to see much difference between the wolf and my own hand loads let alone the cheapest brass cased ammo I can find. For most of the shooting I do (training and drills) with an AR the cheapest steel case stuff I can find works just fine. The 7.62x39 ammo I shoot out of the various guns I have chambered for that cartridge also give adequate accuracy for those purposes. I wouldn't use the steel case for precision shooting, but that is not what the RRA is intended for nor the type of shooting most people do. Steel cased x39 easily gives acceptable accuracy for COM shots or shots on game out to 200 yards.

I don't see myself buying the RRA but I certainly would not be so dismissive of its usefulness or versatility.

Out of curiosity, in that same sub-200 yard red dot shooting, would a BCM or Colt, or even PSA performed any different? What benefit did the Noveske show over other popular (and far less expensive) models in that shooting?

When it comes to this rifle in question lets not forget how RRA decides to assemble ARs. They red loctite barrel nuts and castle nuts. They hardly stake (if you could call it that) gas keys. Their triggers have a wide spread reputation of turning from a nice two stage to a mushy long single stage. Heck, just pull up the old chart and see if anything they did ranked as a positive to someone doing anything but target shooting or plinking. They may shoot very accurately, but they are clearly not built to be a hard use <200 yard drill/combat rifle. Expecting this new, proprietary, publicly untested system to do better is a big gamble. I'd rather have a well built $800 AK from a known manufacturer/assembler than to hope on a $1200-$1500 sorta AK/AR mix from a company known to cut most reliability corners, especially if I plan to shoot the cheap ammo.

 

[oldpapps]

Guys (and gals),
You are missing the point of the original question.

"Will this [http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=558] make the 300 Blackout obsolete?"

The .223/5.56 didn't replace the .22RF or .220 Swift or for that matter the .222Rem. The .300 Blackout is not intended to replace the 30.06 or 300 Savage or for that matter the 30-30.

This Rock River configuration is just another option for the AR platform.

Over time each of us matures and our likes and dislikes change. This is inclusive of our views of weapons/calibers/cartridge configurations.

I will most likely never embrace any com-bloc weapon or chambering, it is just personal with me. But, that doesn't translate that I think the stuff is all junk or trash, just those who used them on me and mine.

In time the cream will rise and the chaff will be lost to the wind. But collectors will still seek the most ill conceived and functionally useless. And that is well and should happen. Only time will tell and I'm betting that both versions will be around for a long time, supplementing the standard ARs in .223/5.56.

 

[Ranb]

Until 1-8 to 1-10 twists become common, there were be little interest in suppressed subsonic AK's. I suppressed my AK and loaded 150 grain subsonic for it. I was not able to make the rifle cycle even with a cut down spring. Accuracy sucked and it was much louder than my suppressed AR. The AK gas vent is rather loud all by itself.

The AR platform has the AK beat everywhere except in price. The people who say the AK can do anything the AR can have probably never tried (successfully) to hit a 6" target from 200 yards with subonic ammo and a suppressor.

Ranb