Wilson Combat Ar-15 M4

[numaone]

Hello Y'all,
This is my first post on this extremely interesting forum! Some Great discussions. Now I want to gather some of your opinions.

I am looking at purchasing a Wilson Combat Ar-15, (well to be exact the M-4tAQ for those of you who know specifics.) They guarantee 1 MOA with their free floating hand guard and 16.25" barrel. This rifle is, of course, on the expensive side right at the $2k mark.

The question, from your experience, is this rifle better than others? The purpose will be target shooting and HD. I've shot the Bushmasters and DPMS, will I feel a noticeable difference? The things I like about Wilson are the Amazing Customer Service, Quality Parts all made in USA, and I think quality Construction of said parts. I know my "knowledgeable" friends rave about their 1911s.

Then again, for 2k, I can pick up two DPMS and if one fails, well, I have another on my back .

Thanks for your input

 

[Avenger29]

Why pay that price for something that's really not that extraordinary?

Take a look at the Noveske rifles. Or Daniel Defense. Or LaRue if you are looking at high end AR-15s. Or buy a Colt or LMT and put your money towards a good rail system, a light (very important for HD) and an Aimpoint.

The accuracy claim, if you look at the fine print, is probably with match ammunition (same for every other manufacturer's accuracy claim/ "guarantee" I've seen). Most ARs are pretty darn accurate, no matter what the brand.

Wilson should stick to 1911s. They do a good job on those, not so hot on their other products...

 

[P.B.Walsh]

I don't know, I bet my first AR will be a Del-Ton

Welcome to The High Road!

 

[rcmodel]

Don't overlook these.

http://www.lesbaer.com/ar223.html

I think they beat Wilson coming & going for about the same price.

rc

 

[taliv]

my daily ccw piece is a wilson supergrade compact, so don't think i'm just bashing expensive stuff.

i think the wilson and lesbaer AR15s both suck. i wouldn't own either.

for that money, you could get a KAC, colt, noveske, larue, DD, etc.

also keep in mind resell value if you ever want to get rid of it. there's not much of a market for wilson ARs

 

[flyboy1788]

What taliv said. He is absolutely 100% right. Do it for the children. I would get a colt 6940 or an lmt MRP over a wilson or les baer AR every day of the week. Even if the wilson or the les baers were 1200 and one had to pay a little more for the colt or LMT, it would still be an easy choice.

 

[numaone]

my daily ccw piece is a wilson supergrade compact, so don't think i'm just bashing expensive stuff.

i think the wilson and lesbaer AR15s both suck. i wouldn't own either.

for that money, you could get a KAC, colt, noveske, larue, DD, etc.

also keep in mind resell value if you ever want to get rid of it. there's not much of a market for wilson ARs

Taliv, what makes the AR15s suck? I'm not asking to argue, but just because I'm not aware of any of the issues about them.

Flyboy1788, I was looking at the colt 6940, and I like them and what I've been reading! What would be a ballpark "reasonable" price to pay for a gun in stock in such a market?

Thanks

 

[CoRoMo]

+1 on LMT, Colt, Noveske, etc.

No need to spend 2K for an AR that isn't in the top of the class. Spend a few hundred dollars less and use the extra $$ for an optic.

Otherwise, the 6940 will be hard to find for much less than 2K in today's market.

 

[bkb0000]

accuracy on an M4 just isn't important. a 3-MOA gun is as accurate as anyone will ever need a carbine to be. they should be putting more effort into reliability than accuracy, and they make no reliability guarantee.

i don't trust a manufacturer that doesn't list their weapon's specs anyway.

Noveske is what Wilson Combat is trying to be- Super expensive, super good. Get a Noveske if you want something that's combat-ready and stupid-accurate

 

[TexasRifleman]

Wilson and Baer are great at making 1911's, and even better at marketing.

There's no way I would pay that much for an AR from either of them.

1911's can benefit greatly from expert assembly and part selection.

ARs, not so much. You can duplicate everything they do for much less money.

 

[taliv]

numaone, my beef with them is the sort of features and components you get. (i assume you've looked at the pictures and prices on wilson's web page. )

for instance:
i like JP triggers, but why on earth would you want a 3# trigger on a "tactical" rifle? that's an AD waiting to happen.

for $2000, you don't even get a quad-rail on your "tactical" rifle. that's a $225 upgrade. And what do you get? a premium quad-rail? no. a POS that sells for $100 new anywhere else, and is heavy, hot, and held in place by only the jam nut with no anti-rotation or any other features, like say, sling mount points. so you'll wind up paying extra AND adding weight on the end of the gun to get a sling mount on the rail. no thanks

for $2000, you're going to get the crappy mil-spec stock that you can't even give away? so if you want to replace it with something decent, you'll wind up paying for 2 stocks.

all their pictures have some big honking scope on top, which just screams "we only shoot our tactical rifles from a bench", but seriously, unless you have a face like a horse, do you really think you can get a cheek weld on this gun?

a "premium wilson combat" barrel. does wilson make their own barrels now? i don't mind if it's a douglas or wilson (not combat) or something, but why pay for a name if you're not getting a real 'premium' barrel. they didn't hesitate to tell me what brand of trigger or grip they were using.

do they offer any useful or interesting upgrades on their "custom" rifles like say, mid-length gas or monolithic uppers or ambi-safety, bolt-release and mag release? no. they have the exact same features (or less) that you'd get on any old stag or bushamster, etc at half the price.

then they do things like "hand match uppers and lowers", which is a waste of time and would only appeal to someone who doesn't know much about ARs.

and les baer is way worse.

 

[C-grunt]

A 1 moa guarantee with a decent AR is not that impressive. A Colt 6940 is around the same price and will have a higher resale value, be just as accurate, have monolithic rails and comes with back up iron sites. By the way my friend is selling his BNIB for 1800. PM me for details.

If you could find a Noveske or LMT for that price, not sure how much they go for, I would really look into them.

Hell for around 1500 you can find Colt 6920s, which is supposed to be the M4 without the burst option, and have a great little carbine.

 

[bkb0000]

we cant even really compare wilson combat to other brands. we have no idea what the barrels are made out of, whether they're chrome-lined, stainless or CM or CMV.. no indication the bolt is HPTMPI.. no clue what it's chambered for.. and they dont give any of this information anywhere

 

[benzy2]

As has been said 1 MOA isn't that impressive out of an AR. Heck RRA has a 1 MOA guarantee on all of their rifles, less on their bull barrel and NM models. If accuracy is all you want then there are a bunch of options that will hold 1 MOA for a lot less money. Reliability is another issue, which I'm not as familiar with as I don't abuse my rifles and don't put my life in their hands, though the brands listed by many here have a great reputation as being reliable, more so than the inexpensive RRA.

 

[flyboy1788]

colt 6940s are readily available on Gun broker and guns america for 2000. Im sure if you shop around and keep an ear out for one, you could get your hands on one for a couple hundred less than that even. Seek and you shall find. I wish I had two grand to spend on an AR right now.....

 

[Jed Carter]

My Wilson Combat Urban Tactical shoots great... now. It had extraction problems right off, new extractor and spring and it's good to go. Trigger is the real sweet part of their AR's, although not better than my SIG 556. Bought a J&T dist. M4 (noban )upper in 2004, it shoots as well if not better, IMHO, save some cash and spend it on optics and ammo, lots of AMMO
PS: The AR is a safe queen now that I have a SIG. And no their (WC's) barrels are not chrome lined, afaik.

 

[usmc1371]

Love my les baer! Haven't shot an ar or any rifle ever that will print 5 shot sub .5 moa groups like my LBC .204.
Would I buy another one not likely. for 2300$ (plus 900$ leopold) I could build one uber tacticoooool M4argy or build two fully servicable carbine lengh rifles accurate enough for 99.9% of my shooting. My next AR will most likely be a LMT or something along those lines. I am sure nither the M-16 or M4 the marines handed me were even 1 MOA accurate but they worked just fine in the real world with their rattling upper to lower fit and off the shelf parts and open sights.

 

[freakshow10mm]

AR15s are parts guns. I can build a complete AR15 rifle from scratch in about a half hour tops. They are really simple guns when you understand how it goes together.

I build ARs for a living and I seriously can't see how other companies think their gun is worth twice the market value for something that is essentially the same gun without the marketing BS.

 

[Mt.Traverse]

I've got a new LMT lower, Defender 2000 model on a new CMT upper(Continental Machine Tool), flat top no rear sights, A2 front sight, 16 inch Wilson, not combat, heavy barrel with an A-2 flash suppressor. I'd sell it for under $1,400 bucks if you pay shipping to your FFL. I'll throw in two new Mag pul 30 rds. Please drop me a line a PM for my email address and/or phone number.