Winchester 1300 Definder you have to see the photo's

[hso]

CTA,

That's a pretty pimped-uped pump gun you've put together! Considering the history of combat/sd/le shotguns and the ammunition that's been proven in combat/sd/le you've got to expect a lot of head shaking and snickering with all that on what was a fundamentally good SD shotgun to begin with.

Combat shotguns have been around since before WWI and #6, double aught and slugs have been putting bad guys in their place forever. So, we look at all the money spent on the special items that have been put on your 1300 and know that much of that (the flashlight is the only essential add-on for most SD shotguns according to experts) money would have been spent on a good civilian SD shotgun course and a few cases of #6 and a case of Brenneke slugs.

You've agreed that training trumps toys by claiming that you're "ready" due to some sort of military training, but any possible training in the military that you may or may not have received is different from the training you'd get in civilian use of a SD shotgun from a credible trainer.

For anyone that hasn't taken a good course or at least spent the time learning from firing a few cases worth of ammunition, all the specialty gear and ammo in the world won't make up for lack of training. Much of that stuff that you can throw on a fundamentally sound SD shotgun costs more than a good course and doesn't make you ready to defend yourself any more than a bumble bee muffler makes you a race car driver. If you've got the money to burn on gizmo's, good, but anyone would be much better served by signing up for a SD shotgun course and putting the rounds down range to learn to run the gun instead.

 

[springmom]

And if you don't have a good course available in your area, BA/UU/R anyway. Practice, practice, practice. Don't just shoot when you practice; think about each shot, think about what you did and how it worked or didn't. Read here about shotgunning (especially from SM, who knows quite a lot about it). But don't just assume you're ready for a home invasion because of the gear. You're only ready when your shotgun becomes an extension of you and you know exactly how to use it.

My personal taste would have been to leave it as you got it, but then my personal taste is for a more traditional type shotgun anyway. I have a Beretta semiauto on which I've put nothing at all. It works just fine as is But you've obviously had fun putting this rig together, so have fun with it and go shoot it, shoot it, and shoot it some more.

Springmom

 

[David N]

PLEASE name the make and model of everything, especially the hard to find things like the armor piercing slugs.

THANKS!

 

[Jorg Nysgerrig]

PLEASE name the make and model of everything, especially the hard to find things like the armor piercing slugs.

There's a reason they are hard to find. But if you are looking for these novelty shells, it appears most of the descriptions have just been cut and pasted from this site.

 

[hso]

Dave,

The weird exotic rounds are not worth the money. Stick with Brenneke slugs or Fosters and they'll punch though anything you need to. Good double aught should be bought after deer season by the case. #6 the rest of the time.

 

[sm]

CelTicAssassin

Deleted by me .

 

[CelTicAssassin]

Military Occupational Specialties/ And Aeople With Bad Attitude

Hey how are you guys doing, well I joining this sight because I thought it would be nice to share some of the thing's I am trying out, and the first one is the Winchester 1300, I am going wild on it and not keeping it simple because I wont to see what I can do, and have some fun, that’s how we learn about the gun we all have, and learn what we can do and what we can't do, buy going out and trying them and getting some feed back on what you guys have tried, I am not here to tell you my Military back grown my wife do even know my Military back grown so let's keep it off the book's, and if your proud because you where in the Military you should be and we all give are thanks to the people that steel serve, so if you have a bad attitude and can't play nice and get just remember one thing we are all American here and as a American ( I rather have a gun and not use it, then not have a gun and need it.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

If I understand you correctly;

If your wife doesn't know about your Military "back grown"(I assume you mean backround), why would you bring it up to begin with?

 

[The Deer Hunter]

Also, 230 rounds isn't alot of ammo.

 

[sm]

CelTicAssassin,

We are not having a easy go as a new member of THR are we?

I gotta an idea.


At the top of this shotgun forum , stickied , are some posts by Dave McCracken that moderates this forum.
Some pretty good posts can be found in those Stickies.
Dave served in Vietnam, so I know you will appreciate and respect his experiences and sharing

Also recommended is a book, Shotgunning: The Art & Science by Bob Brister

Computers and Internet , as great as they may be, are often a pain in the backside.
It just takes time to get certain software figured out.

Now one tip, is using Firefox for a browser, and one feature of Firefox is spell check, and allows one to correct spelling.
Also free, and handy is Wiktionary : http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Main_Page


HTH

 

[CelTicAssassin]

well it was nice but i am not going to set here, and be call names so i am of this web site.

2ed class Lt James e burke.


Military Occupational Specialties


Small Arms Repair
Rifleman
Machine Gunner
Mortar Man
Assaultman
Light Armored Vehicle Crewman

To name some.



Hey how are you guys doing, well I joining this sight because I thought it would be nice to share some of the thing's I am trying out, and the first one is the Winchester 1300, I am going wild on it and not keeping it simple because I wont to see what I can do, and have some fun, that’s how we learn about the gun we all have, and learn what we can do and what we can't do, buy going out and trying them and getting some feed back on what you guys have tried, I am not here to tell you my Military back grown my wife do even know my Military back grown so let's keep it off the book's, and if your proud because you where in the Military you should be and we all give are thanks to the people that steel serve, so if you have a bad attitude and can't play nice and get just remember one thing we are all American here and as a American ( I rather have a gun and not use it, then not have a gun and need it.

 

[Brian Williams]

Thank You
Welcome to THR, sir
Cpl B Williams
Semper Fi

You have come and told the Truth and that means I will recant what I said about you possibly being a Liar.

But I will not let any Marine make a jackass of themselves when it comes to THR and the right to keep and bear arms.


Now, How does that 1300 shoot.

 

[DRZinn]

2ed class Lt James e burke.


Military Occupational Specialties


Small Arms Repair
Rifleman
Machine Gunner
Mortar Man
Assaultman
Light Armored Vehicle Crewman

To name some.

Second Class Lieutenant? And apparently specializes in every infantry MOS (except the ones that officers get), plus small arms repair?

I don't think so.

 

[Black Majik]

If your wife doesn't know about your Military "back grown"(I assume you mean backround), why would you bring it up to begin with?

You mean "background?"

 

[sm]

Don't look at me in regard to Military Jargon , I never served in the Military.
They started bringing home the troops in my Senior year of HS and my draft card was 1 H .

OK, I do know the chocolate in C Rations is some gooood stuff.
I miss the 5 packs of smokes , the water proof matches, and P38's are just neat!

Whoever come up with the Peanut Butter in C Rations, must have thought this stuff was going to be used for repairing brick, pot holes, and maybe gasket repair.

I shot a can of this peanut butter with a .22 long rifle, and I swear that stuff is self sealing...

Oh, I know the difference in a Army field coat and the Navy "P" coat.
One is green and zips and the other is blue with buttons...

 

[Brian Williams]

The Peanut butter is actually to suppliment the cooking it burns nicely.

 

[sm]

Brian,
I just recall how that peanut butter in a hole in a barn and one of them crackers, would keep the rain out.
Best recall it stayed there for a good bit, not sure even a woodpecker could peck a hole through one of them crackers.

Oh well, I miss them C Rations, the folks associated with them all the memories including shooting.

 

[springmom]

I cannot stand it. I try really, really, REALLY hard not to play Grammar Police. But I can't stand it:

Hey how are you guys doing, well I joining this sight because I thought it would be nice to share some of the thing's I am trying out, and the first one is the Winchester 1300, I am going wild on it and not keeping it simple because I wont to see what I can do, and have some fun, that’s how we learn about the gun we all have, and learn what we can do and what we can't do, buy going out and trying them and getting some feed back on what you guys have tried, I am not here to tell you my Military back grown my wife do even know my Military back grown so let's keep it off the book's, and if your proud because you where in the Military you should be and we all give are thanks to the people that steel serve, so if you have a bad attitude and can't play nice and get just remember one thing we are all American here and as a American ( I rather have a gun and not use it, then not have a gun and need it

You joined the SITE to share some THINGS. You WANT to see what you can do, BY going out and trying and getting FEEDBACK. Your military BACKGROUND; your wife DOESN'T even know and you want to keep it off the BOOKS. You WERE in the military, we give OUR thanks to the people that STILL serve. As AN American...

Sorry, but this is basic, second- and third-grade spelling and I can't stand it anymore. :banghead::banghead::banghead: /spelling rant.

If you were in the military, that's great. If you like your shotgun, that's great. Just go out and spend time shooting it, so that if you do ever need it you will really know what it, and you, can do. Training is super; practice is essential.

Stay safe and happy shooting.

Springmom

 

[cee_squared]

I just recall how that peanut butter in a hole in a barn and one of them crackers, would keep the rain out. Best recall it stayed there for a good bit, not sure even a woodpecker could peck a hole through one of them crackers.

So that's why I stopped doin number two after week three of basic.. !

Man..if I only knew then what I know now......


cee

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Weel, Hay their.

Greatings.

Eye halve came hear too improove my grammer and speeling.

Eye'm akchully an Pee Aitch Dee in the Englisch languige.

Eye'm a wydely publishing auther, butt eye youse a penn nayme wenn eye right.

My reel nayme is sekrit.

Eye lyke penut butler two.

 

[sm]

Speaking of Military...

...anyone use /using a 1300 ?

 

[BullfrogKen]

I've only seen 870's and Mossbergs.

MRE peanut butter was good for when we went out in the field. It "stopped things" sufficiently that we didn't need as much toilet paper.

 

[stiletto raggio]

All the military shotguns I have seen were either cheap Mossbergs (limited to five in the magazine despite teh fact that the same civvie model holds six) or the new Benellis (which are exceedingly rare over here).

At any rate, I have met some Second Class LTs, and based on your grammar, anyone whose NCOER (report card) was written by you would most likely be laughed out of a promotion board. So perhaps you are a Second Class LT. That said, I am pretty sure even the Marine Corps--just like every other service--requires a bachelors' degree to be an officer. I am doubtful.

 

[hso]

Ok, back to something on shotguns.

Training trumps toys even though it's easier to get toys than training. Basic SD shotguns and ammo have been putting BGs in their place since the turn of the century (the last century that is). If you want to trick out your shotgun with bits you've seen in the tactikewl ads in gun mags wait until you spend your money on getting familiar with the gun.

Training in SD shotguns is available and plenty of folks here will be happy to point you at all the trainers that are out there.

If you can't get to a trainer then get thee to a range and practice purposfully. Remember that practice does not make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. Pay attention to each shot and note what does and does not work.

There are some versions of shotgun sports that are applicable to SD shotgun use. This allows you to find folks to help you with your shotgun "game" that will, at the same time, be helping you with your SD shotgun training. Sporting clays, with it's low and ground moving targets, comes to mind. You'll find folks at the clay range that will be happy to mentor you.

The bottom line is that investing in training has a greater return than accessories.

Try the following -
Shotgunning : The Art & Science - Bob Brister
Is always a good idea, no matter if one is new or seasoned shooter, and no matter the use for the shotgun.

Trainer-

Awerbuck, Cain, etc. are excellent trainers.

Sportingclays mag -

http://www.sportingclays.net/

Steve, what did I miss?

PS, don't ever claim any experience you don't have at THR. There are scores of folks with decades of real experience that will smell a lie at 1,000 meters and being outed by them isn't worth the effort to bolster your position.