Don't know the rules in other states
Unregulated in the vast majority of states.
Don't know the rules in other states
If they forbid all non-Govt contract production for commercial sale, it will have an effect on supply prices across the board.
Chicken Little seems to have quite the audience and following.
It's the percentage of steel in the round since it is just the tip (low percentage) the atf has deemed it legal....it is definitely not as good as the old norinco 7.62x39 steel core ammo that would shoot through decent sized trees and steel platesI never understood how that got by the armor piercing ammo bans. Everything else supposedly armor piercing, that was chambered in any kind of "pistol" at some point, was banned, yet the 5.56 "Green Tip" gets a wave? Hows that work?
My understanding of the rules is that if the round has a "penetrator" and will defeat a vest when fired from a "handgun", its considered to be. Has that changed?Not understanding that it isn't AP is the source of confusion.
Not sure that was ever a rule vests come in all different levels and pistols now can be bought in large rifle calibersMy understanding of the rules is that if the round has a "penetrator" and will defeat a vest when fired from a "handgun", its considered to be. Has that changed?
My 257 weatherby with sierra game king expanding bullet will shoot through 3/8" thick ar500 steel plate and 556 green tip just scratches it.....those plates are used in level 4 vestsNot sure that was ever a rule vests come in all different levels and pistols now can be bought in large rifle calibers
It's not armor piercing, it's a soft steel piece inside that helps it penetrate soft steel. "Penetrator" not "Armor Piercing".I never understood how that got by the armor piercing ammo bans. Everything else supposedly armor piercing, that was chambered in any kind of "pistol" at some point, was banned, yet the 5.56 "Green Tip" gets a wave? Hows that work?
I was only referring to LC. Have you an seen actual official release saying this will only concern the M855 contract overruns and not all the other ammo Winchester makes there for commercial sale. I searched the web and couldn't find anything other than unnamed source "reporting."That is specifically not what is happening. Government Owned/Commercially Operated ammunition plants are all that this concerns. AND it is of a ammunition type that they are abandoning for a new design/designation.
I may be misremembering here, but back when the "cop killer" bullets were penetrating pistol caliber vests, they started banning anything that, when fired from a "handgun", and would penetrate a cops soft vest, was considered to be AP in that respect.
And as I understood it, that was one of the reasons that 7.62x51, among others, like the PMC airfoil rounds, etc, were initially banned. This isnt about traditional "armor".
I guess you missed the entire Obama-era ATF attempt to ban M855 in 2015.I never understood how that got by the armor piercing ammo bans. Everything else supposedly armor piercing, that was chambered in any kind of "pistol" at some point, was banned, yet the 5.56 "Green Tip" gets a wave? Hows that work?
The difference is Biden isn’t attempting to ban M855, just eliminate the sale of M855 manufactured on government-owned equipment to civilians.Who thinks this is an original idea of Biden's?
So, since it was ruled against, why werent the others also deemed to be the same as the Green Tips too? Or is it a fear thing, and the mentality is, dont push it, just let them have the others, we won this one?
Technically, I think the ATF's position was correct, and it met the definition of "the law", as silly and stupid as it is.
all the other ammo Winchester makes there for commercial sale.
Someone must still be contracting for 55 grain .223 and a number of different 7.62x51 loads because there is a bunch of LC marked stuff for sale online right now.What other? All the equipment at GOCO plants is government. The management and operations are contracted out. Only out of spec and overruns on government contracted ammo is available for sale to the public.
Over-run and out of spec. The loose boxes I have of out of spec are marked "Training Purposes Only".If all of this is over-run
But by what definition? Actual AP, or AP according to the law they were citing?Technically, nope
The bullet was never "armor piercing". We marketed it that way, but the government classification wasn't AP.