Winchester LP primers

[Captain*kirk]

I ordered a case of Winchester Large Pistol primers which arrived today. This has always been my preferred LP primer, as they were always marked "for standard or magnum loads", and since I load some mag and some std. cartridges, I could use either/or.
Well, the photo on the website shows the old blue primer flats, but the ones that arrived today are red and black and say "for large pistol". I would hope this is simply a packaging thing, but does anyone have any insight to this? Thanks in advance.

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[MEHavey]

See https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-box-and-red-white-box-winchester-wlr.906262/

 

[Captain*kirk]

See https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-box-and-red-white-box-winchester-wlr.906262/

Thanks for that, although the thread doesn't really get an answer to the question either. Plus it was locked (why? Can't we talk about primers?)
Maybe I'll try to get a hold of Olin and see if they can clarify? Just thought someone might know off the top of their head.

 

[Otto]

Red boxes started to appear 3 1/2 years ago. The blue came out in 2009 which was preceded by white boxes. Every primer manufacturer has changed their packaging at one time or another. Fiocchi just changed theirs as an example.

 

[Captain*kirk]

Red boxes started to appear 3 1/2 years ago. The blue came out in 2009 which was preceded by white boxes.

Thank you. Do you know if the primers are suitable for magnum loads?

 

[Captain*kirk]

OK, a quick internet search led me to this forum:

Winchester LP primers in new red, white, and black box

www.m14forum.com

...where within I found this post by a gentleman who claims to have spoken to Winchester, and received this gem of an answer:

"Just talked to Winchester guy, he says, "They're just like Doritos, always the same thing just in a new bag." Yes the primers in the red, white, and black new box even though it does not say for standard or magnum are the same as the old blue box that says standard or magnum."

Of course, I have not verified this for myself, but the answer is pretty much as I suspected it would be. I feel better now.

 

[AJC1]

Us laymen don't have the tools to test brazilance but one kinda has to figure they must be hotter than others standard lpp...

 

[Walkalong]

Plus it was locked (why? Can't we talk about primers?)

Threads are auto locked after a period of time with no new posts.

 

[LV Gun]

I was told by LGS they are the same just a new box they are my favorite LP primer also.

 

[nettlle]

Maybe Winchester decided the "For Magnum or Standard Loads" description was doing more harm than good. I think since this is new Winchester might be the best folks to ask.

 

[Howland937]

Did Winchester ever get around to making Large Pistol Magnum Primers like everyone else? Can't imagine they'd suddenly abandon the magnum pistol market, so if they haven't catalogued a standalone LPM primer, I'd bet they're the same. Still using the same WLP designation anyway.

 

[jag22]

Check the UPC, it should be the same.

 

[SingleActionAndrew]

They have an all red box now too, just to make sure everyone is confused

 

[2ndtimer]

The fact that Winchester claims their large pistol primers are suitable for both standard and magnum cartridges makes me wonder just how much difference there really is between those that offer both? Unless you are using slow burning ball powders (H-110/W-296, Power Pro 300-MP) in very cold temperatures, one could probably use standard primers exclusively. On the other hand, if all you have are magnum large pistol primers, you could probably use them in standard cartridges without fear. Just stay away from max loads and watch for pressure signs as you work up.

 

[Charlie98]

makes me wonder just how much difference there really is between those that offer both?

They bridge the gap between standard and Magnum primers.

I ran an informal 3-way test in the .41MAG, using IMR4227 (because it's not as sensitive to Magnum primers as some other powders.) The velocities increased slightly going from standard to WLP, and again from WLP to Magnum. That's my spin on it, anyway.

 

[LV Gun]

The fact that Winchester claims their large pistol primers are suitable for both standard and magnum cartridges makes me wonder just how much difference there really is between those that offer both? Unless you are using slow burning ball powders (H-110/W-296, Power Pro 300-MP) in very cold temperatures, one could probably use standard primers exclusively. On the other hand, if all you have are magnum large pistol primers, you could probably use them in standard cartridges without fear. Just stay away from max loads and watch for pressure signs as you work up.

I have always wondered the same thing so with all the issues primers in the last 3 year I finally got 5000 Unis Ginex LP about a year ago. I have done some testing with them in 44 magnum using H110 / W296 and a 180 grain Hornady XTP JHP results are no unburned powder , accuracy was actually better, and a friend of mine brought his chrono there was only 35 fps loss versus printed data . After doing this i won’t spend the extra money for magnum primers for 44 magnum I don’t think they really make any difference.

 

[Show Me]

The red boxs are so ugly I repackaged in an old blue box

 

[AJC1]

I've not run across import mag primers, do they do the same thing Winchester does?

 

[SingleActionAndrew]

It's interesting how Win has/had(blue) the same-for standard & mag lpp yet separated between standard and magnum SPP. I am fond of the Win LPPs, at least the blues maybe because I know the packaging better than the white black and reds that have taken up a large space of stash now. I like the way the LPPs feel when seating them - more feedback from the press handle for me vs other brands. I haven't tried much blue box spp but the standards in white red and black box for me are between Fed and Rem in hardness to strike. I've had one ~faulty Win primer across the last ... bricks and it was a tab of paper from under the anvil that wasn't cut cleanly so protruded from the primer and get trapped/wedged inside the Dillon primer tube. Thankfully the extra safety precautions extracting it were unnecessary.

 

[Show Me]

I ordered a case of Winchester Large Pistol primers which arrived today. This has always been my preferred LP primer, as they were always marked "for standard or magnum loads", and since I load some mag and some std. cartridges, I could use either/or.
Well, the photo on the website shows the old blue primer flats, but the ones that arrived today are red and black and say "for large pistol". I would hope this is simply a packaging thing, but does anyone have any insight to this? Thanks in advance.

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Winchester Ammo, white and red box isn't the same as white box. Where do the white and red box of primers say they were made. Plus the part number will have an extra letter at the end. FYI TMI

 

[Blue68f100]

If I recall back in the 60's they had 2 different primers. I will need to check my inventory to see if by chance I have any stashed away. I know when I started loading for the 458 SOCOM, I was told to stay away from the Win because they would blow. I had CCI LPM so that's what I used.

 

[Rule3]

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[Blue68f100]

Went through my inventory of primers and found several packs of 100 that are marked "Large (Mag) Pistol. Totally different numbering system than currently being used.

 

[LV Gun]

Went through my inventory of primers and found several packs of 100 that are marked "Large (Mag) Pistol. Totally different numbering system than currently being used.

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I have never seen these before how old are they curious because they say Winchester Western

 

[Captain*kirk]

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Thank you for that!