Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Mustang51, Feb 27, 2020.
30-06 I presume by the bore picture?
Breaks my heart to look at 1956 prices on Mod 70 National Match and Target Rifles, but....
Both grades had the marksman stock, the NM had a heavy barrel and the Target had standard Mod. 70 contour barrel. Both had target scope blocks and micrometer sights.
Thanks, hps...based on that I believe mine is a National Match.
Great testimonial to the Winchester 70.
Chambered in 30.06
311291 Lyman with Hornady gas check, heat treated, LC brass, neck sized after fire forming, 24 grains 4198, 1 grain Kapok, yada, yada. Sub MOA on a bad day.
Nice, Papa. Thanks for the load data. Might need to do a little cast bullet shooting.
Thanks, az imuth!
I see you're a handloader. Might want to give these a try....worked well over the years in my mod. 70's.
^^^Shot this target in a local NRA 100 yd. match. Worked well out to 300 yds.
^^^Used this load @ 600-1000. Unfortunately H450 pretty scarce today; fortunately had a good supply on hand when I quit shooting comp.
As usual, when reloading, start low and work up.
Wow, hps, that is some shooting. I'm not familiar with H450, and I guess they do not make it anymore.
I was going to use H4350 or RL-17. although I've never failed to find a decent 4064 load with military cartridges.
What do use now?
I still have 16# of H450 for the heavier bullets. 47 gr. of H4895 works well with 150-168 gr. bullets (Very near duplicate of the M2 Ball ammo issued for the Garand). Of course H and IMR4350 is still available.
I'd bet your new M 70 will not be difficult to develop a load for.
... I knew they were real expensive so I googled up an inflation calculator at Dollar Times .com, rounded it off at 175 bucks, ( Mod. 70 National Match, $174.05), and it calculated out to $1678. in 2020.
Thanks, guys...better pics when it arrives.
That is 1700 dollars in today's money.
The International is still a great sight as long as it is mechanically tight. The Olympic is a primitive front sight compared to what is available today. I put all my Olympic fronts in a drawer and replaced them with 22mm Gehman's (or Anschutz) front sights that have adjustable aperatures and, very important for old eyes, a magnifying lens. I think they are called "Eagle Eye". Get a 1.25 to 1.5 eagle eye and an adjustable aperature and life will be so much better.
I have a 22 mm Anschutz on the front of this.
You are fortunate to find an un modified NM M70, because, when these things got in the hands of individuals like myself, they quickly became modified. I never liked the hand stop rail location on those rifles, so I inletted my pre 64 M70 marksman stock for a new hand stop rail. Then I added a Freeland adjustable butt plate. All modifications look decidedly unprofessional, and thus my rare stock only has value as fire wood. Then, I did not care for the marksman stock, so I installed this Cloward stock. Which was an improvement in my opinion.
I shot out the original 30-06 Winchester barrel, and that was a good barrel, and installed another 30-06 barrel, then installed a 308 Win barrel, which is currently on the rifle. The collector value of my rifle is negible, though someone might recognize the stripper clip slot on the receiver which for the serial number date, would identify the receiver as a National Match. I have two pre WW2 M70's, both are cut with a stripper clip slot. I don't know when Winchester stopped doing that, but it has to be in the 1950's. The only actions with stripper clip slots are the National Match actions.
In so far as configuration, the NRA set the rules for rifles for use in NRA competitions. The Army was the 800 lb gorilla in the rules room, and the Army wanted civilian's shooting guns which were close to the military rifle in configuration. So, the marksman stock is not that far from a type C M1903 stock, or a Garand buttstock. Same basic stock was on the Winchester small bore rifles of the era:
see the resemblance?
The lightweight "standard" NM pre 64 M70 is very rare. The thing is too light for comfortable prone shooting, I know an owner. He thinks the weight of the rifle was required to be close to that of a Garand. Then the rules changed. The "bull barrel" rifle was more common.You want the rifle heavy enough to reduce recoil sitting and prone, but not so heavy to be ungainly shooting off hand.
I picked up a "like new" unaltered lightweight NM in the late 80's IIRC but but barrel was too light to suit me for offhand so it became my #2 match rifle. After shooting a match or two with it, had Dave Sullivan pull the original barrel and install one of Mark Chanlynn's heavy match barrels on it. Had previously replaced the Winchester rail w/a Freeland and added an adjustable Freeland buttplate. Used the International sights exclusively. So much for collector value, but great shooter! Still have the standard weight barrel I took off w/somewhat less than 200 rounds through it.
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