Wisdom of Gun Related Events shortly after a shooting

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I just read a (very biased...) article that got me thinking. The article in essence boiled down to the local Republican Party in Rep Giffords county is raffling off a Glock 23. A lot of people seem to be up in arms over this given that Laughner used a glock himself.

That said, here's a link to the article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ing-grid10|htmlws-main-bb|dl1|sec3_lnk2|92209

Now, I personally don't see anything wrong with this, since only 125 tickets are being sold, and it was advertised in the county republicans neweletter, and probably no where else, it doesn't seem like it should cause any problem at all. I honestly don't think I'd have a problem if it was a much larger fundraiser either.

However, I wanted to see what everyone here thinks of the situation, and similar ones. Is it a good idea, as far as representing gun owners, to hold raffles like this, or other gun 'events' after a mass-reported shooting?

As a final note, I'd like to point out that the spokesman for Giffords said in response to being interviewed that she supports the 2nd amendment, and that he couldn't confirm if Giffords herself had a Glock.
 
why should we hang our heads? the 2nd amendment is there every day regardless of current headlines.
people get shot, people get injured and killed with cars and baseball bats but nobody says that we should all walk to the ballpark and kick the ball. people using firearms for crazy purposes do not represent me. people acting a fool with a car do not represent me.
 
All I can say is that such a raffle, under those circumstances, is politically tone-deaf. Nothing good can come of it.
 
I could see this being somewhat contraversial and garner strong opionions on either side. Seems to me there is a time and place for everything, though following a shooting such as with Ms Giffords, I don't think its smart to put guns "in the face" of the general public. Its not a matter of being ashamed of being a gun owner or supporting the 2A. Its just that there are many non gun owners or people who are neutral on the subject that may look on a raffle as this in a negative way. That doesn't help gun owners.
 
People die in car accidents everyday, does everyone in town stop driving?

People look to hard for things to get offended by.
 
... I might have chosen to raffle off a different gun. The only thing worse would have been to raffle a used Glock 19.
 
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People die in car accidents everyday, does everyone in town stop driving?

People look to hard for things to get offended by.
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True but if someone is killed in a red Ford Mustang then funeral attendees should probably arrive in a different car... not a red Ford Mustang.
 
I think that it is very offensive and makes us look like a bunch of insensitive rednecks. Now if it were not a Glock, I would not have an issue.
 
True but if someone is killed in a red Ford Mustang then funeral attendees should probably arrive in a different car... not a red Ford Mustang.
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Why?

It's an inanimate object that had no direct relevance to what happened, and why on earth would any of the mourners be checking the parking lot for what car someone drove????

And it's not even a good example of what's happening in this case.

If someone dies in a red mustang, should that cause a car dealership to cancel a raffle of a red mustang several months later?

Like I said, people spend entirely to much time actively looking for things to get offended by.
 
It seems like just an excuse to get mad at both gun owners and Republicans...not that HuffPo needs much of an excuse. For all the people up in arms about it...I think they should just get a life and stop attempting to politicize everything.
 
At the very least it is a boneheaded gesture. For those of you that say it is nothing to get upset about have never spent much time with anti-gun folks, if many of us 2nd Amend. supporters think this is in poor taste (and it is) what do ya think a staunch anti-gunner is gonna say?
I'm not all that worried about what the anti-gunners are gonna say, really, even If there was no gun opposition I would say to that GOP office " what are you thinking"?!!
 
Why?

It's an inanimate object that had no direct relevance to what happened, and why on earth would any of the mourners be checking the parking lot for what car someone drove????

And it's not even a good example of what's happening in this case.

If someone dies in a red mustang, should that cause a car dealership to cancel a raffle of a red mustang several months later?

Like I said, people spend entirely to much time actively looking for things to get offended by.
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Well put
 
^^ lol me too! The more I think about this the more I'm shaking my head. what are they thinking!?
 
At the very least it is a boneheaded gesture. For those of you that say it is nothing to get upset about have never spent much time with anti-gun folks, if many of us 2nd Amend. supporters think this is in poor taste (and it is) what do ya think a staunch anti-gunner is gonna say?
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This.

It's a needless rallying point for the anti-2A crowd for the benefit of raising $1250. I'm trying to think of a dumber idea, but drawing a blank.
 
I see the acting chairman of the Republican Committee of Pima County, Ariz., is the WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD for September 2, 2011.
One of the most pitiful rants I've seen by Olbermann, but ya gotta remember some anti-2nd folks take this stuff as gospel, and it's always good to see what the other side is preaching. :banghead:

Old Keith is still preaching:
1. The 2nd applies only to state militias.
2. Loughner didn't commit the crime, the gun did (but by his logic in the video, didn't the bullets actually commit the crime and not the gun?). Guess he should be upset if they were raffling bullets?
3. He rails 'bout the CCer 'almost' pulling his gun and shooting the wrong person! This has already been covered by the CCer earlier-he says he no more almost pulled his gun on the wrong person than he almost got into a collision by simply driving to the rally, etc.

Old Keith hit the trifecta with this rant, but there's more!
Your gun rights are not actually in the Constitution-it's in one of those pesky amendments.
I'm a little confused-he seems to think The Constitution can be changed with amendments (I'm OK with that), but then he seems to suggest the amendments are 'flexible'-I guess he thinks it's a living document?

Don't know if it was this video or the earlier one (yesterday)-he makes some mention 'bout having the raffle within one year of the crime as being relevant-do we really think he'd not be offended if it was held a year after?
He also admits it doesn't really matter what type of gun is being raffled-so much for the theory that the fact it's a Glock is what's offending some folks.
 
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Its poor taste.

If the tragedy was they all got run over by a toyota, and they raffled off a toyota, it would be in poor taste as well.

Or...

Analogy: A Muslim group (Republican group) raffling off flying lessons (glock) next to the mass murder scene of the Trade Center (parking lot of tragedy).

Yep... poor tatse.
 
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People look to hard for things to get offended by.
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I would re-state this to say "political opponents should not be handed a gun to shoot us with". We have enough political headwind on this issue without needlessly creating more.

This is about as politically savy as a president seeking re-election saying "we must do something immediately! I will not rest until every American that wants a job has a job! Now let me finish this 10 day golf vacation & I'll be all over it".

By the way, are all the tickets sold? I kinda like those odds.
 
If the tragedy was they all got run over by a toyota, and they raffled off a toyota, it would be in poor taste as well.
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If the raffle is held at the funeral, I agree.

people spend entirely to much time actively looking for things to get offended by.
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I'm offended by easily offended people.
 
In such a situation the person who decided on the weapon was very much out of touch with political/social realities.

Any other make would have caused less controversy while achieving the same beneficial goal.
 
I just read the article. Where's the bias? :confused: Looks like a straight-forward telling of folks getting ticked off by the raffle.

ETA: I agree with others in this thread - the raffle organizers weren't thinking about the political perception, and in fact may have been trying to "make a statement" about 2A rights. But their timing is misplaced.
 
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