Wisdom of Gun Related Events shortly after a shooting

[armoredman]

This is AZ. Firearms are a huge part of our local culture and history, and a common sight - open carry legal for 99 years, CCW since '94, Constitutional Carry for 1 year this month. I saw a Glock 19 raffled of very recently to support a battered women's shelter - nobody complained. I saw a Glock 19 raffled off to support a DOC tactical unit's extra budgetary wants, nobody complained. I saw a local, (and very effective), gun rights group raffle off AR rifles and several pistols, nobody complained. Mountain/molehill. It's a political barb thrown by the Demos smarting under all their losses, and people are falling for it. As for the commentator noted above, driviling idiot who can't even keep up with SCOTUS decisions, still thinks the 2A is for state militias only. If he is that out of touch with reality, he is 100% ignorable as being and ignoramus.
I won't buy a ticket - I don't like Glocks...maybe I'll ask if they would raffle off a CZ instead, next time.

 

[Mike1234567]

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Not worth the effort...

 

[Neverwinter]

If someone dies in a red mustang, should that cause a car dealership to cancel a raffle of a red mustang several months later?

Like I said, people spend entirely to much time actively looking for things to get offended by.

There is the perception that the raffle of a Glock after the shooting of Giffords is a victory symbol over the assault of a member of the opposing entity. I can understand how this sentiment can exist when looking retrospectively at the objections to the Cordoba House project in New York.

Not that it makes more sense, but human psychology isn't always rational. Also, some people are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

I saw a Glock 19 raffled off to support a DOC tactical unit's extra budgetary wants, nobody complained.

The difference between the DOC and the GOP should be readily apparent, in regards to the possible reading from the action of raffling a Glock.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I do actually agree that it is in poor taste. Sure its not the guns fault but raffling off a slightly different model of the one used but it can still bring up those memories and cause people to get upset. Like that one poster said about the Red Ford Mustang, sure it wasn't the cars fault but would you drive it to the funeral when you could easily drive a different car?

 

[Mike1234567]

^^^ Unfortunately, yes. Some would do precisely that even after pondering the possibility that it could be painful for the mourners. Apparently, since it seems illogical to them then we should not inconvenience ourselves to prevent exacerbating their pain. I often wonder how many people in our society are incapable of feeling anything at all.

 

[happygeek]

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Originally Posted by armoredman
I saw a Glock 19 raffled off to support a DOC tactical unit's extra budgetary wants, nobody complained.

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The difference between the DOC and the GOP should be readily apparent, in regards to the possible reading from the action of raffling a Glock.

I'm confused, I thought Laughner wasn't really associated with any political party? If I recall correctly he was just some nut who showed up to a Giffords event years prior, asked her a question, wasn't happy with the answer, and had harbored some sort of irrational hatred for her ever since.

 

[rogerjames]

Well...

Loughner used a 9mm and the raffle is for a .40 cal. I'm sure this distinction would be lost on most anti's, but...

According to the article, this was apparently only advertised on a Republican website... in a state where the Democratic representative (victim of a gunshot crime), is herself a 2A supporter.

If this was intended as a "public" display, I probably would have had an issue with it, but after reading the article, it doesn't seem that was the intent. In fact, it seems like most of us would know nothing about it if it weren't for the Huffington Post.

I relish my 2A rights, and I think it's important to defend these rights.

That being said... I think that the preservation of those rights depends in-part, on us handling ourselves as humble, responsible, thoughtful human beings. Unfortunately, perception IS reality when you have a vote. We must realize the mentality of our enemy (gun grabbers), and do our best to not "freely hand them ammunition"

 

[azmjs]

Very stupid thing to do in this case.

 

[BCCL]

Anti-gunners are by definition irrational, does anyone actually for a second believe that there would be ANY type of fundraising event in that area that they would not have tried to find a way to smear pro-gunners with in the wake of the Gifford's shooting.

There is absolutely no connection between the Gifford's shooting and this raffle, other than a knee jerk emotional one.

They hate gun owners, and every step we take to placate them in any way, they consider a victory.

 

[MistWolf]

Ted Kennedy used an Oldsmobile Delmont 88 to commit his murder. Anything wrong with raffling off a car of the same make?

 

[Danb1215]

The shooting took place over 8 months ago, should it be forever in bad taste to raffle one of the most popular brands of guns (and a different model at that) in the state of Arizona from January until the end of time?

 

[357 Terms]

Mistwolf......good god... yeah of course!!!!! if the GOP had done that after the death of Mary-Jo Kapetnik (sp) OF COURSE IT WOULD IN VERY POOR TASTE! are you serious??????

Really Mistwolf?...... are you serious????

 

[Danb1215]

It's not even the same model, you might a well be opposed to all gun raffles as being in poor taste. I doubt there is a major brand of guns that has never been used in a crime. If I buy a mini 14 am I making light of the shootings in Norway? I sure don't think so.

 

[MistWolf]

Mistwolf......good god... yeah of course!!!!! if the GOP had done that after the death of Mary-Jo Kapetnik (sp) OF COURSE IT WOULD IN VERY POOR TASTE! are you serious??????

Really Mistwolf?...... are you serious????

Yes, it's a serious question. If someone were to raffle off an Oldsmobile Delmont 88, who would even remember Ted Kennedy killed a woman let alone this was the model automobile he used to commit the crime?

Rope is sold all the time in hardware stores regardless of how many folks have been hung and no one complains. This is just another attempt to demonize firearms

 

[357 Terms]

You do realize Mistwolf that six people were killed, including a very young girl? There are a lot of people in Arizona that are still hurt and shocked by this madmans actions, people that could still be on the fence about our basic gun rights.
And if the local GOP office in Mass. had raffled off a OLDS 88 IN 1969..... WELL ...THEY JUST WOULD'T HAVE!..... horrible analogy

 

[rogerjames]

You do realize Mistwolf that six people were killed, including a very young girl? There are a lot of people in Arizona that are still hurt and shocked by this madmans actions, people that could still be on the fence about our basic gun rights.
And if the local GOP office in Mass. had raffled off a OLDS 88 IN 1969..... WELL ...THEY JUST WOULD'T HAVE!..... horrible analogy

Some people are unable to distinguish the difference between defending our rights and promoting our rights.

There's a reason that marketing is a college degree.

Unfortunately, there is no 2A requirement before opening one's mouth and proclaiming to represent the lot

 

[Neverwinter]

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I'm confused, I thought Laughner wasn't really associated with any political party? If I recall correctly he was just some nut who showed up to a Giffords event years prior, asked her a question, wasn't happy with the answer, and had harbored some sort of irrational hatred for her ever since.

He wasn't. The discussion was the potential perception of this as being a high-fiving schadenfreude gesture among the local GOP, not necessarily that the GOP had "scored a point for their team".

If this was intended as a "public" display, I probably would have had an issue with it, but after reading the article, it doesn't seem that was the intent. In fact, it seems like most of us would know nothing about it if it weren't for the Huffington Post.

Most of us wouldn't know about the Cordoba House project if it weren't for the people going all over the news to produce the controversy about the "Ground Zero mosque".

 

[MistWolf]

You do realize Mistwolf that six people were killed, including a very young girl? There are a lot of people in Arizona that are still hurt and shocked by this madmans actions, people that could still be on the fence about our basic gun rights.
And if the local GOP office in Mass. had raffled off a OLDS 88 IN 1969..... WELL ...THEY JUST WOULD'T HAVE!..... horrible analogy

Wow. Just, wow. I can see you're very emotional about this

 

[Shadow 7D]

I can understand how this sentiment can exist when looking retrospectively at the objections to the Cordoba House project in New York.

Well, I'll just use the Democratic line from that old story

It's their right to do so

So I will stand by their right, as this is America and their right to do so, is also my right to disagree, or not.

 

[MikeNice]

Anti-gunners are by definition irrational, does anyone actually for a second believe that there would be ANY type of fundraising event in that area that they would not have tried to find a way to smear pro-gunners with in the wake of the Gifford's shooting.

There is absolutely no connection between the Gifford's shooting and this raffle, other than a knee jerk emotional one.

They hate gun owners, and every step we take to placate them in any way, they consider a victory.

Exactly. It would not matter if they were raffling a Stoeger Coach Gun. Then they would be talking about how insensitive Republicans were to be raffling, "a highly lethal firearm that can be turned in to a weapon of mass destruction."

It isn't about anybody being insensitive. It is about people that want us disarmed seeing this as a two way attack against guns and Republicans. The gun owners that are falling for it are simply empowering them.

It wouldn't be like showing up to the funeral in a red Mustang. It would be like the dealership not auctioning off a blue Mustang eight months later.

 

[357 Terms]

Mistwolf- I am not really emotional about this; just dumbfounded at the boneheaded thought process of that local GOP office....and others.
Something tells me that the Dems could get a cardboard box elected into office in the next Arizona elections.

 

[danez71]

It would not matter if they were raffling a Stoeger Coach Gun. Then they would be talking about how insensitive Republicans were to be raffling, "a highly lethal firearm that can be turned in to a weapon of mass destruction."

This is AZ. For the most part, no one talks like that here. Even the anti's dont stretch it that far.

We're not CA, D.C., Chicago, NY/NJ.


But, this thread wasnt a political discussion.

Its about " Wisdom of Gun Related Events shortly after a shooting ".

Is it appropriate or insensitive? Why or why not?

 

[N003k]

I'm going to chime back in to try to pull it back towards the original topic...

I think, so long as it's not within a few days of the event, that there's no problem with it. We're 8months past the event, and its no longer even in the news, it's not being advertised directly to the event, it just happens to use the same BRAND of gun.

For all of the car references, I'd say this would be more like attending the funeral of someone who died in a red Ford Mustang, in your red Ford Taurus.

 

[Fishslayer]

Raffling a G**** in Arizona is kinda like raffling a VW in Detroit, no?

What jumped out at me re the make of gun wqasn't that it was a G**** but that it wasn't a RUGER!

People die in car accidents everyday, does everyone in town stop driving?

People look to hard for things to get offended by.

No... it's called "Don't let a good tragedy go to waste." They're not stupid, they're not offended. But the people they are pandering to are...

FWIW the same thing started on Sep 12, 2001. Just a different mob of snakes...

 

[mnrivrat]

Is it appropriate or insensitive? Why or why not?

Is it political correctness ? Almost certainly those who believe it to be an issue at all, have to ask, what is the price for appeasment vs the rewards expected ?

This is a Republic we are suppose to live in. To whom do you as an individual give up your rights to , and who do you fear to offend ? The government, or the majority, your neigbor, or ????

What goes on as normal life to some seems to irritate others , and this happens all the time. Is it therefore insensitive to carry on with normal tasks or do we need to be sensitive of all things, at all times, in order to not offend anyone. Good luck with that.

I have seen the results of acting on the sensitivity of issues like this in the past. One of the more recent being the allowment of passage of the 1968 gun control act which offends with great certainty our individual rights both under the 2nd ammendment and under our inalienable/natural rights.

In these cases we allowed our sensitivity to tragic events to turn into a clear limitation on our freedom. I therefore take no issue with such a raffle.

Much to do about nothing, creats nothing good .