With no ammo on shelves who is buying .410 and .32 revolvers?

I own one .32 S&W revolver which I inherited a number of years ago along with a box of Winchester ammo that is missing six cartridges. The gun is a nickel pre-model 31 in near new condition. I have never fired it and likely never will.
I had considered buying a Governor or Judge as kind of a novelty piece. As others have pointed out .410 ammo has become difficult to find and especially the kind dedicated for handgun use. Ammo availability and prices of the revolvers, particularly the Governor, makes it hard to justify buying one.
 
A local farm store by me has infinite Hornady triple defense 410. Unlimited supplies.

From what I've seen that load isn't the best for the 410 revolvers.

I haven't seen federal 410 handgun buckshot in 5 years! I have a meager supply. Federal won't ship to Illinois, foid card or no.
 
I don't understand the popularity of Judge pistols. Everything I have read or heard about them is bad.
My FIL had one which we now have, good triggers, nice sights, low recoil in .45 Colt, good snake gun with .410 shells, and simply a fun gun.

Not my favorite of all time or anything, but a good solid revolver.
 
A local farm store by me has infinite Hornady triple defense 410. Unlimited supplies.

From what I've seen that load isn't the best for the 410 revolvers.

I haven't seen federal 410 handgun buckshot in 5 years! I have a meager supply. Federal won't ship to Illinois, foid card or no.

And you definitely do NOT want to shoot that stuff out of a full choke 410 barrel either. A 410 full choke is 0.395" while the Triple Defense slug is 0.410".

They also do not pattern well out of a 14 or 18 inch cylinder bore barrel. I have shot them out of my 410 Shockwave and 410 Model 500 with cylinder bore barrels. I've seen a few tests where they didn't do well out of the Taurus Judge either.
 
My FIL had one which we now have, good triggers, nice sights, low recoil in .45 Colt, good snake gun with .410 shells, and simply a fun gun.

Not my favorite of all time or anything, but a good solid revolver.


They are a lot of fun, a governor even moreso with the 45 acp in moon clips.

The only legitimate 410 defense load for them is made by federal.
 
My FIL had one which we now have, good triggers, nice sights, low recoil in .45 Colt, good snake gun with .410 shells, and simply a fun gun.

Not my favorite of all time or anything, but a good solid revolver.

Somewhere on You Tube is a video of Taurus folks shooting clay targets with a Judge on a skeet field. I think that would be fun for a while. Definitely a challenge.

I am not convinced yet to buy a Judge or Governor but it might be more useful on my bush hog tractor than my Bond Arms Snake Slayer.
 
I don't have a 32 but do have 410s. I haven't seen any 410 shells where I buy in about a year. At that time there was only one box in the store and the price was $38. I'm not going to pay $38 for a $8 box shells so I left it on the shelf. Went back a few days later and it was gone so somebody was willing.
Where I'm at non- +p 38 spl is hard to find. I can find 38spl +P but not much 38spl. If I do find a box it's priced more than 38spl +P.
I do have a little 410 and 38spl stashed back and I'm Not going to pay those prices. If the ammo makers think 410 and 38 are so precious, Well, they can keep em and hug em and kiss their box bottom side. I'm not paying ridiculous. Just Not going to do it.
 
People who reload..........
This is something to consider. Just as with people who buy one gun often already have one or more, the same applies to people who buy calibers. I already have 7 guns in .32 and plan to buy at least 3 more.

Same applies to the .410, since I have a Judge I would like to add a .410 shotgun to my possession.
 
I don't understand the popularity of Judge pistols. Everything I have read or heard about them is bad.

A .410 is designed to be shot in a barrel much longer than 3 inches. I see that they are making them with 6 inch barrels now but that is still 12 inches shorter than any legal shotgun. How much velocity is lost due to unburned powder?

How accurate is a .45 Colt after the almost 1/2 inch jump to get to the forcing cone?

Seems to be an answer to a question no one asked, but they are selling like crazy so good for them.

Just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's good. Hey macarena.
I enjoy shooting mine, but I also didn't buy just any Judge, I bought the one I found to be the most practical, which meant the smallest one which is the Public Defender model.

The enjoyment from it was finding what worked best. Lead .45 is a no no, plated or jacketed bullets are best, so I use Berry's for economy. The 250gr Berry's shot the best, but I have had some good results with .45 ACP bullets. It's not as accurate on paper as my Redhawk, but when I'm shooting steel I'm hitting the plates fine at 15 yards or more. .45 Colt can be a bit much, but .45 Schofield shoots great, even tho it is lower velocity.

The jump is not the issue, the oversize throats are. That said long jumps due sap potential velocity due to gas blowing by the bullet.

I have had fun shooting .22 from the Judge with the chamber adapters. I would really like to buy a set of them, but prices on those went up and I'm stuck with just the one and it's lame to have to reload just one every time.

For anyone interested in a .45 Colt double action, there's not many out there in this small a size. Sure, Charter makes one now, but their quality is absolutely terrible currently and Taurus did make a snub .45 Colt only, but no longer does. I'm not into .44, don't own any in that caliber, .45 Colt I do and always will, so for me to get the Public Defender made sense even tho its got some drawbacks.
 
I enjoy shooting mine, but I also didn't buy just any Judge, I bought the one I found to be the most practical, which meant the smallest one which is the Public Defender model.

The enjoyment from it was finding what worked best. Lead .45 is a no no, plated or jacketed bullets are best, so I use Berry's for economy. The 250gr Berry's shot the best, but I have had some good results with .45 ACP bullets. It's not as accurate on paper as my Redhawk, but when I'm shooting steel I'm hitting the plates fine at 15 yards or more. .45 Colt can be a bit much, but .45 Schofield shoots great, even tho it is lower velocity.

The jump is not the issue, the oversize throats are. That said long jumps due sap potential velocity due to gas blowing by the bullet.

I have had fun shooting .22 from the Judge with the chamber adapters. I would really like to buy a set of them, but prices on those went up and I'm stuck with just the one and it's lame to have to reload just one every time.

For anyone interested in a .45 Colt double action, there's not many out there in this small a size. Sure, Charter makes one now, but their quality is absolutely terrible currently and Taurus did make a snub .45 Colt only, but no longer does. I'm not into .44, don't own any in that caliber, .45 Colt I do and always will, so for me to get the Public Defender made sense even tho its got some drawbacks.

I think a Judge or Public Defender would be a fine choice for something to carry in the deep wilderness, or even a great hiking gun, or sidearm when hunting.. I looked into them for that purpose, but at the time I could not find any good intelligent reviews or information on them. Interesting about the long-lead or "jump". My 1895 Nagant pistol is super accurate with the .32ACP/7.65 Browning cylinder in it. It has a very long jump. Much less accurate with the Nagant cylinder, with a variety of ammo and reloads. Not Inaccurate, but the ACPs shoot minute of grouse, squirrel, or rabbit head. So yeah, a long "jump" is not, in it's self, an accuracy killer.

By the way, will the Defender take .45 loads much hotter than standard? Something else I was able to determine. And I don't mean "Ruger" loads, but something in the 1100fps zone.
 
I think a Judge or Public Defender would be a fine choice for something to carry in the deep wilderness, or even a great hiking gun, or sidearm when hunting.. I looked into them for that purpose, but at the time I could not find any good intelligent reviews or information on them. Interesting about the long-lead or "jump". My 1895 Nagant pistol is super accurate with the .32ACP/7.65 Browning cylinder in it. It has a very long jump. Much less accurate with the Nagant cylinder, with a variety of ammo and reloads. Not Inaccurate, but the ACPs shoot minute of grouse, squirrel, or rabbit head. So yeah, a long "jump" is not, in it's self, an accuracy killer.

By the way, will the Defender take .45 loads much hotter than standard? Something else I was able to determine. And I don't mean "Ruger" loads, but something in the 1100fps zone.
The .45 ACP Blawkhawk cylinder also has a "long jump" as your .32 ACP cylinder does, but the deal with these multiple cylinder revolvers is when one cylinder is chambered for a shorter cartridge, the length of travel thru the cylinder is irrelevant so long as the chamber is properly made and the throats properly sized. The term bullet jump isn't accurate for something like the .45 ACP in the Blackhawk because it's headspacing off the case mouth and the bullet, as soon as it exits the case the front portion of the bearing surface on the bullet is already engaged with the throat, which seals the gases and guides the bullet straight until it reaches the forcing cone.

Basically, the distance the bullet travels in the cylinder means less (and likely more like nothing) than what the distance of travel is from chamber to throat.

Look at all the .22 single actions with cylinders for the .22 Magnum, but have a .22 LR cylinder. The .22 LR, being shorter and a heeled bullet means that the entire length of its travel is supported by the throat. Now, take a .32 ACP or .32 S&W (short, not Long) and plunk it into a .327 Magnum chamber and you can headspace and fire those short .32's, but the bullet has to travel down a significant amount of chamber where normally there would be the wall of the brass case for the longer .32/.327 Magnums. The short .32's leak gas as it blows by the bullet before it reaches the throat to seal the gas and likely is cocked. In the case of .327 Rugers, the throat is .314, so no sealing is accomplished and the velocity is very low.

I haven't shot paper with .32 ACP in the .327, so IDK how the accuracy is. Probably awful.

This same issue occurs in the .410/.45 revolvers and also the Ruger Redhawk with .45 ACP as the chamber it is fired in is for .45 Colt.

So, it's not jump alone that causes issues, it's the circumstances with the jump that matter. As long as the throat of the chamber is close enough to the case mouth, like .38 Special in a .357 Mag chamber, there will not be issues. You could have a revolver with a cylinder meant for .460 S&W, but have a spare cylinder for .45 ACP and the distance from case to forcing cone would be very long, but the accuracy and velocity won't suffer because you've got a proper chamber and throat.

Back on the Judge, the accuracy isn't going to win me any matches or competitive events, but it can do a two fist sized group with most .45 ammo.

The Judge is only meant for standard pressure .45 loads. I have no issues shooting the max published data for the .45 Colt in it, but given the short barrel and long freebore in the chamber, there's not much of an increase in velocity. Hollow points aren't going to go fast enough to expand, so my .45 loads of choice for defense are either a wadcutter or the Inceptor copper/polymer with the flutes cut in the nose.
 
Look at all the .22 single actions with cylinders for the .22 Magnum, but have a .22 LR cylinder.
Now that you mention it, my S&W AirLite .22LR has a long cylinder compared to the length of the cartridge. It certainly has a "long jump"! It is a very accurate pistol.
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Now that you mention it, my S&W AirLite .22LR has a long cylinder compared to the length of the cartridge. It certainly has a "long jump"! It is a very accurate pistol.
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Afaik, there are no revolvers made today with a frame sized specifically for the length of .22 LR. They're all .22's slapped into a frame meant for .38 or .357, so they get long cylinders.
 
Afaik, there are no revolvers made today with a frame sized specifically for the length of .22 LR. They're all .22's slapped into a frame meant for .38 or .357, so they get long cylinders.
After reading it again, there are a few revolvers made specifically for .22 LR. There's the NAA mini, Ruger Bearcat, the Wrangler might also be sized for .22 LR, but definitely no DA revolvers are made specifically for .22 LR.
 
After reading it again, there are a few revolvers made specifically for .22 LR. There's the NAA mini, Ruger Bearcat, the Wrangler might also be sized for .22 LR, but definitely no DA revolvers are made specifically for .22 LR.

There are a whole slew of DA revolvers chambered for 22 LR made by S&W. I don't know much about Ruger or Colt but I would be surprised if they didn't make some too.
 
There are a whole slew of DA revolvers chambered for 22 LR made by S&W. I don't know much about Ruger or Colt but I would be surprised if they didn't make some too.
LCR, SP101, and GP100 are all meant for .38 or .357. The Bearcat and maybe the Single 10 is for .22 LR only.

Idk what Colt is doing these days, but their current King Cobra is a .22 built on a .357 frame.
 
Since a short cylinder is not necessary for accuracy, would there be any good reason to put a .22LR in a shorter frame and cylinder, other than putting one's support hand closer to the barrel/cylinder gap and blast?
 
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