Wolf small pistol primers
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Nate1778
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Depends on what your using them in, my G19 hates them. My GP100 makes them go bang every time.
Jumping Frog
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I've used about 10k of them and love them.
orrwdd
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Wolf primers seem to be a hit or miss proposition on reliability. "Do you feel lucky?"
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tydephan
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I'll never buy them again.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=518736
Wolf has admitted they have a problem with their small pistol primer.
I had problems with their primer in two different Glock 22 pistols (all stock parts.)
Your mileage may vary.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=518736
Wolf has admitted they have a problem with their small pistol primer.
I had problems with their primer in two different Glock 22 pistols (all stock parts.)
Your mileage may vary.
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tydephan, from what I gathered, your issues are from a lot purchased in july of 2009...correct? I'll be curious to know if this current offering has a similar lot # and whether or not these are the gold or silver color. Thanks for posting.
tydephan
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That's correct. We purchased ours in July of 2009. The lot number was 9-09. And they were silver colored, not gold.
Based on recent (within the last week) correspondence with Wolf, they have stated they have passed on the issue with the primers to their development staff, but they also state that to date, nothing has been changed.
I don't have the exact wording right now (as I'm at work), but I'll look at the email when I get home and paste exactly how they worded it. Basically, the way I interpreted it, they acknowledge that people have had issues with the primer but so far their production methods and materials have not been changed to fix the issue.
Based on recent (within the last week) correspondence with Wolf, they have stated they have passed on the issue with the primers to their development staff, but they also state that to date, nothing has been changed.
I don't have the exact wording right now (as I'm at work), but I'll look at the email when I get home and paste exactly how they worded it. Basically, the way I interpreted it, they acknowledge that people have had issues with the primer but so far their production methods and materials have not been changed to fix the issue.
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ole farmerbuck
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I cant sayanything about the pistol primers but i can tell you that i wont buy anymore small rifle .223 from wolf. They were 9/09 too and no good! Havent had any trouble with their regular small rifle though and i do have a bunch of there small pistol. Maybe i should try them.
evan price
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I have personally used over 20K Wolf primers in Large and Small pistol, in both gold and silver colors with no problems other than those resulting from my not seating them fully when I first started using them instead of my usual Winchesters. I have loaded and shot almost 5000 of the newer nickel plated primers in 38 special and 357 Magnums with zero problems of any kind. I did notice that the newer plated primers, the anvils were not as well pressed into the cup as before and I had several that the anvils fell out while shaking them in my primer flip tray. It was easily caught and I put the anvils back in- this was maybe a couple of primers, total, in 5000.
I have had zero problems igniting reloads with Wolf primers of any type- silver or gold- and the only reason why I would no longer buy them is that since their price increase they are no longer cost effective- I can buy CCI or Winchester for the same price, so why not use the American product.
I have had zero problems igniting reloads with Wolf primers of any type- silver or gold- and the only reason why I would no longer buy them is that since their price increase they are no longer cost effective- I can buy CCI or Winchester for the same price, so why not use the American product.
I have several Cases of the Wolf Small Pistol Primers, back of the Box rubber stamped "21-09"
Have not tried any of them yet.
Darn...sorry to be hearing this.
What is wrong with the ones which were considered bad? Just do not detonate at all? Or?
Have not tried any of them yet.
Darn...sorry to be hearing this.
What is wrong with the ones which were considered bad? Just do not detonate at all? Or?
tydephan
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Ours didn't ignite. Primers were seated/crushed into the primer pocket properly. We even created a second batch where we were especially attentive to pushing the primer all the way down into the pocket. Still, no dice.
Many rounds failed to fire on the second strike as well.
Many rounds failed to fire on the second strike as well.
Ditto on Evan. I have the old russian primers that are now called wolf and I have wolf primers. No issues with the small pistol with either. But I'm shooting a S & W 59 and a CZ Rami in 9mm. In large pistol I shoot a Glock 36. I used wolf lps and every 3-4 shot a misfire. It would fire the second time. Examination of the primer looked like a light strike, but it wasn't. I had not seated the primer fully. Once I did that, no issues. They are a little harder to seat than my usual Federals. I use a Dillon 550 and once I got the feel and rid of the operator error, everything has gone according to plan.
Crowbar Muldoon
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Hmm. I scored 2K of the 9-09 batch (silver) of SPP's to try out last summer when I couldn't get anything else. You do have to make sure they are seated deeply enough. The only FTF's I've experienced are with one revolver with lighter springs. The ones that did not ignite in that gun all worked in my stock M60.
Sorry to hear of your issues with these, tydephan.
Sorry to hear of your issues with these, tydephan.
helg,
My Wolf SPP failures were primarily on an S&W 10 and a Colt Official Police. They worked in other pistols fine.
Originally thought the failures were a mechanical problem, but when I got new primers both pistols went back to 100% reliability. However, during that time, I ordered new Wolff springs, which did not solve the problem.
I had shot up a brick of 5K Wolf SPP with zero failures previous to this. However, they were the older, gold primers. So I naturally thought the next batch I ordered would be good to go. I am still shooting up a box of Wolf LPP with no complaints. I got frustrated, and two favorite pistols were mis-diagnosed, and I burnt up a lot of brain cells trying to diagnose and solve the problem.
Unlike Tydephan, I received a partial refund on the remaining primers. It sounds like Tydephan asked for his refund later than I did. However, there was no information ever posted on their web site when I was having my problems that would have indicated there was an issue. Only found out the solution through the forum links posted earlier in the thread.
So I am now using Win, CCI, and Federal with zero complaints.
My Wolf SPP failures were primarily on an S&W 10 and a Colt Official Police. They worked in other pistols fine.
Originally thought the failures were a mechanical problem, but when I got new primers both pistols went back to 100% reliability. However, during that time, I ordered new Wolff springs, which did not solve the problem.
I had shot up a brick of 5K Wolf SPP with zero failures previous to this. However, they were the older, gold primers. So I naturally thought the next batch I ordered would be good to go. I am still shooting up a box of Wolf LPP with no complaints. I got frustrated, and two favorite pistols were mis-diagnosed, and I burnt up a lot of brain cells trying to diagnose and solve the problem.
Unlike Tydephan, I received a partial refund on the remaining primers. It sounds like Tydephan asked for his refund later than I did. However, there was no information ever posted on their web site when I was having my problems that would have indicated there was an issue. Only found out the solution through the forum links posted earlier in the thread.
So I am now using Win, CCI, and Federal with zero complaints.
tydephan
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They are not a total loss. I do have pistols that they will work in, namely my M&P40, which I prefer over my G22 anyway. It has a brand new striker and striker spring, which may simply be more powerful and striking harder than the both our Glock 22s. My dad and I reload together, and unfortunately all he has in .40 is his G22, so it looks like all these rounds can just go to my house.crowbar said:
I actually pushed Wolf real hard on the issue. I can say that they were very timely and cordial with their correspondence via email. They noted that they could no longer refund money because people got online and started spreading word that Wolf was giving refunds, and because Wolf didn't require you to send the primers back to them (because of hazmat shipping), people started taking advantage of the system just to get free primers. They apologized profusely.ir3e971 said:
I have no problem with Wolf as a company. But there are better options out there with regards to primers that will work in OUR guns, so I won't be wasting any more money on Wolf. We just had an order of CCI small pistol primers shipped from Cabelas yesterday.
tydephan
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Not sure who you're addressing Elmar, but I'll reply because I'm bored.
All I can say for sure is that these primers were seated properly, with significant pressure and crushed into the bottom of the primer pocket. They were fired through two different completely stock Glock 22 second generation pistols. Both Glocks had failures to ignite on roughly 12% of the rounds fed through them. Out of the 12% that failed, half would not fire on a second strike.
The same batch of handloads were fired through my M&P, which just recently received a new OEM striker assembly, and they all worked fine.
Aside from that, both the Glock 22 pistols have previously fired CCI and Remington primers (2k-3k each) without any failures.
Until we tried the handloads in MY G22, I was thinking my dad's G22 needed a striker spring replacement. And then the rounds failed in mine the same way.
So, all things being the same, I blame the primer. With the facts listed above, you may draw a different conclusion.
Like I mentioned earlier, lots of people shoot these primers without an issue. But there have been numerous documents issues that some have had, including myself. Y...M...M...V.
All I can say for sure is that these primers were seated properly, with significant pressure and crushed into the bottom of the primer pocket. They were fired through two different completely stock Glock 22 second generation pistols. Both Glocks had failures to ignite on roughly 12% of the rounds fed through them. Out of the 12% that failed, half would not fire on a second strike.
The same batch of handloads were fired through my M&P, which just recently received a new OEM striker assembly, and they all worked fine.
Aside from that, both the Glock 22 pistols have previously fired CCI and Remington primers (2k-3k each) without any failures.
Until we tried the handloads in MY G22, I was thinking my dad's G22 needed a striker spring replacement. And then the rounds failed in mine the same way.
So, all things being the same, I blame the primer. With the facts listed above, you may draw a different conclusion.
Like I mentioned earlier, lots of people shoot these primers without an issue. But there have been numerous documents issues that some have had, including myself. Y...M...M...V.
Hey_Allen
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I've been having no real issues with primer ignition on my S&W 28 or the SP101, but the little Charter I had didn't like 'em.
Then I found out that the Charter had decided that it didn't like 3-4 out of every 5 rounds I put through it, regardless or primer, or even factory loads.
Turns out the Charter had developed a headspace issue, so off to the factory it went, and the other guns get to eat more ammo since I bought a few more bricks of primers to play with since I'd been hearing so much about unreliability on the Wolf SP primers.
All in all, no issues here, other than possibly a couple of primers not fully seated, but I'm not even sure that was the problem, rather than some other issues I was tracking down.
Then I found out that the Charter had decided that it didn't like 3-4 out of every 5 rounds I put through it, regardless or primer, or even factory loads.
Turns out the Charter had developed a headspace issue, so off to the factory it went, and the other guns get to eat more ammo since I bought a few more bricks of primers to play with since I'd been hearing so much about unreliability on the Wolf SP primers.
All in all, no issues here, other than possibly a couple of primers not fully seated, but I'm not even sure that was the problem, rather than some other issues I was tracking down.
This is very strange. When I could not find any Winchester or even CCI I ordered 2 cases of Wolf large and small pistol primers. I have fired thousands of rounds of each and have had no problems at all. The SPP are lot 9/09 silver in color. I have used then in many different revolvers and semi autos.
The work for me.
The work for me.
Nate1778
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Here the problems I had with my Glock stated above and similar to tydephan. It seamed out of 100 rounds 10-15 of them would get "lite strikes". A secondary attempt would get the majority of them to go bang. Thinking it was my loading I switched to Winchester primers for my 9mm and changed nothing else, and 100% of the time they went bang.
Like I said my GP100 fires the wolfs every time. So I just use them for that gun and the WSP for the Glock. These aren't my personal defense/competition rounds so it isn't a big deal to me. It was just frustrating to have to cycle a round through every whirl.
Like I said my GP100 fires the wolfs every time. So I just use them for that gun and the WSP for the Glock. These aren't my personal defense/competition rounds so it isn't a big deal to me. It was just frustrating to have to cycle a round through every whirl.
These are revolvers, right? So, some revolvers and Glocks have problems with Wolf SP primers.
I shot over 7K of the Wolf SP primers. One sleeve (5K) was with the gold cups, the rest were silver. No ignition-related problems at all. Most had been short from semi-autos (no Glocks though). A few hundreds were shot from various revolvers that were 70+ years old.
Some people, including me, had noted here
http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6357783&postcount=45
that Wolfs are harder to seat. It is not die to cup diameter, therefore it should be cup hardness. The extra hardness also explains why some guns do not like them. A lot of Russian guns have free floating firing pins, and extra primer hardness may be well needed for the guns to provide drop safety.
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