GoRon
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It appears the contact with humans and their protected status has made them start losing the fear of humans.
Death in Canada could alter state's wolf debate
Death in Canada could alter state's wolf debate
Wolves kill Canadian
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Aguila Blanca
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Link no workie.
V4Vendetta
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That's sad.
If this poor fellow had a Glock 21, he'd probably still be here. Just 22...
If this poor fellow had a Glock 21, he'd probably still be here. Just 22...
Legionnaire
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Interesting. I read the article early this morning, but the link doesn't work now, and I can't find it using the search function at msnbc.com. Wierd.
Here's a link to a different story about the same event: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/11/10/wolf051110
Here's a link to a different story about the same event: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2005/11/10/wolf051110
Legionnaire
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And here's the text of the above, in case it goes down as well:
C B C . C A N e w s - F u l l S t o r y :
Ontario man believed killed by wolves in Saskatchewan
Last Updated Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:35:09
RCMP in Saskatchewan are reporting the first human death attributed to wolves in North America in more than a century.
The Mounties say wolves likely killed an Ontario man in northern Saskatchewan earlier this week. The body of the 22-year-old was found Tuesday at Points North Landing near Wollaston Lake, about 450 kilometres northeast of La Ronge.
An autopsy indicated he was likely killed by animals, says RCMP spokesperson Heather Russell.
"All of the injuries discovered in the autopsy are consistent with animal bites. But you can't completely rule everything out until the investigation is complete."
Russell said the autopsy hasn't confirmed what animals attacked the man, but he noted wolves have been sighted in the area. Tracks believed to be those of wolves were seen around the body, leading Russell to believe those were the animals that likely killed the man.
The RCMP haven't released the name of the victim, but say he was from Oshawa.
A 2002 study of wolf attacks in Alaska and Canada done by the Alaska Fish and Game Department found no examples of human deaths attributed to wolf attacks for more than 100 years.
Wayne Galloway, a veteran outfitter in northern Saskatchewan, said he wouldn't be surprised if wolves attacked and killed a human. He said that in recent years, he's seen an increase in wolf numbers and a decrease in the wildlife they prey on.
"They're a predator and I guess if man happens to be something that they'll take a pass at, they'll do it," he said.
Written by CBC News Online staff
Copyright © 2004 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - All Rights Reserved
C B C . C A N e w s - F u l l S t o r y :
Ontario man believed killed by wolves in Saskatchewan
Last Updated Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:35:09
RCMP in Saskatchewan are reporting the first human death attributed to wolves in North America in more than a century.
The Mounties say wolves likely killed an Ontario man in northern Saskatchewan earlier this week. The body of the 22-year-old was found Tuesday at Points North Landing near Wollaston Lake, about 450 kilometres northeast of La Ronge.
An autopsy indicated he was likely killed by animals, says RCMP spokesperson Heather Russell.
"All of the injuries discovered in the autopsy are consistent with animal bites. But you can't completely rule everything out until the investigation is complete."
Russell said the autopsy hasn't confirmed what animals attacked the man, but he noted wolves have been sighted in the area. Tracks believed to be those of wolves were seen around the body, leading Russell to believe those were the animals that likely killed the man.
The RCMP haven't released the name of the victim, but say he was from Oshawa.
A 2002 study of wolf attacks in Alaska and Canada done by the Alaska Fish and Game Department found no examples of human deaths attributed to wolf attacks for more than 100 years.
Wayne Galloway, a veteran outfitter in northern Saskatchewan, said he wouldn't be surprised if wolves attacked and killed a human. He said that in recent years, he's seen an increase in wolf numbers and a decrease in the wildlife they prey on.
"They're a predator and I guess if man happens to be something that they'll take a pass at, they'll do it," he said.
Written by CBC News Online staff
Copyright © 2004 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - All Rights Reserved
The_Shootist
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Wolf Kill?
Was it a full moon....hmmm. Time to get some more .357 Silvertips
Was it a full moon....hmmm. Time to get some more .357 Silvertips
I read somewhere that no documented killing of a human by wolves was known. I don't know but I would guess that at the very least wolf attacks are very, very, very rare and likely caused by the human messing with pups or intruding on a kill, etc.
Legionnaire
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12:45 EST and the original link is working again. Hmmm.
George Hill
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Interesting.
I wonder if this is going to become more common like Cougar attacks now.
I wonder if this is going to become more common like Cougar attacks now.
Sindawe
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I would not be suprised. It seams that when our fellow predators stop fearing humans and fleeing in terror at the mere sight of us, they begin to see us as we really are when we don't have crafted weapons.
Weak, slow, defenseless prey.
Time to put the fear of MAN back into that pack.
V4Vendetta
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"It seams that when our fellow predators stop fearing humans and fleeing in terror at the mere sight of us, they begin to see us as we really are when we don't have crafted weapons.
Weak, slow, defenseless prey."
True. A friend of mine went with his nieces to the zoo. They got to the cougar area & looked through the glass for one. They saw one laying down on it's side just as casual as possible. In a split second it jumped up, ran straight toward the glass like lightning & hit the glass head on. It's face was smashed against the glass like a Willie Coyote cartoon. No one was hurt. The glass didn't break. But it scared my friend something bad. When the cougar hit the glass, he slung his nieces behind him so it would get him first & give them a chance to run.
Weak, slow, defenseless prey."
True. A friend of mine went with his nieces to the zoo. They got to the cougar area & looked through the glass for one. They saw one laying down on it's side just as casual as possible. In a split second it jumped up, ran straight toward the glass like lightning & hit the glass head on. It's face was smashed against the glass like a Willie Coyote cartoon. No one was hurt. The glass didn't break. But it scared my friend something bad. When the cougar hit the glass, he slung his nieces behind him so it would get him first & give them a chance to run.
carebear
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That's no documented attacks in North America.
There are documented (or at least reported) attacks in Russia and Eastern Europe up until today.
There are documented (or at least reported) attacks in Russia and Eastern Europe up until today.
The Freeholder
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There are reasons, both good and bad, why our ancestors hunted them out. Do a little research on the history of the phrase "wolf at the door". *shudder*
one45auto
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Hmmmm.....I wonder. Could it be that he OD or something and then the wolves picked at the carcass? I cannot imagine wolves attacking a human being unless they were lean and other game was scarce.
Libertyteeth
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A Dogpile search turned up many resources on wolf attacks in North America, as well as worldwide. Here is an informative article. It seems attacks are far more common than wolf advocates would like to admit.
http://www.natureswolves.com/human/aws_wolfattacks.htm
http://www.natureswolves.com/human/aws_wolfattacks.htm
Cosmoline
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This was debated in an earlier thread here. I don't think it's a good idea to jump to conclusions or draw any major conclusions from this one potential attack. The only wolf attack I know of in this state involved a lone wolf some genuine idiots had been FEEDING, and it was only a single bite to a child who tried to pet it.
Here's the bottom line. A wolf pack is the ultimate killing machine. It is more intelligent than any bear or lion. It is flexible. It plans ahead and organizes its attacks. THe combined brainpower of a pack is probably the second most intelligent creature on the planet. Trapping wolves requires tremendous experience and cunning, and typically involves using the pack structure against them. IF WOLF PACKS WANTED MANFLESH ON THE MENU, THERE WOULD BE HUNDREDS OF DEATHS IN THIS STATE ALONE EVERY YEAR. Instead, it's rare to ever even *SEE* a wolf in this state, in spite of their huge numbers. They can be spotted along ridgelines or from the air, but unlike the bruins they keep well away from people and have never shown any interest in making us prey. Even over the historic record, it's rare to see a pack kill. The accounts usually involve what were probably the far more dangerous wild dogs or single wolves.
But as with any wild animal letting them get too comfortable around humans is a recipe for getting hurt. Realistically, though, the deer in your back yard or coyotes are going to be a far greater threat. Deer can kick your guts out, and have killed people with apparently relish over the years--as have moose. The solution is sane, balanced wildlife management.
Here's the bottom line. A wolf pack is the ultimate killing machine. It is more intelligent than any bear or lion. It is flexible. It plans ahead and organizes its attacks. THe combined brainpower of a pack is probably the second most intelligent creature on the planet. Trapping wolves requires tremendous experience and cunning, and typically involves using the pack structure against them. IF WOLF PACKS WANTED MANFLESH ON THE MENU, THERE WOULD BE HUNDREDS OF DEATHS IN THIS STATE ALONE EVERY YEAR. Instead, it's rare to ever even *SEE* a wolf in this state, in spite of their huge numbers. They can be spotted along ridgelines or from the air, but unlike the bruins they keep well away from people and have never shown any interest in making us prey. Even over the historic record, it's rare to see a pack kill. The accounts usually involve what were probably the far more dangerous wild dogs or single wolves.
But as with any wild animal letting them get too comfortable around humans is a recipe for getting hurt. Realistically, though, the deer in your back yard or coyotes are going to be a far greater threat. Deer can kick your guts out, and have killed people with apparently relish over the years--as have moose. The solution is sane, balanced wildlife management.
Sindawe
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+1 Enjoy the wildlife from a safe distance, don't feed 'em and don't get them habituated to humans.
Wanna pet the handsome wolf? Get a dog.
Wanna cuddle with the tiger? Get a cat.
Wanna feed Bambi? Go to a petting zoo.
mmike87
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Effective immediately - in Canada there will be a ten-day waiting period for all Wolf purchases.
The wolves need time to "cool down" before coming home with you.
The wolves need time to "cool down" before coming home with you.
El Tejon
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Did he taste like bacon?
Sane wildlife management? Front sight, press!
Wolves need to be shot, not coddled.
Sane wildlife management? Front sight, press!
Wolves need to be shot, not coddled.
I can hardly believe there are still wolf appologists who defend these things. So what if there hasn't been a recorded/proven fatal attack on a human in North America these past hundred years - wolve's have largely been extinct in most parts... Guess what? If thier reintrodiction changes thier population status enough that they start frequenting where people do, those statistics will change.
Even in Linnell's report which so presses the "no fatal attack on humans in N. America" finding and which so many people like to cite, he gives quite a few account of children being killed by wolves. Almost a majority I think. Chilling enough for ya? Just cause it hasn't happened here yet doesn't mean it will not. Wolves don't care if thier prey is American, Israeli, Spanish, or Indian.
Wolve's, neat as they are to hear while sitting around a campfire, need to remain an endangered species just to lessen thier numbers enough to keep the chances of these things happening again. Period.
Some articles:
Sure it's an article about India, but ya think wolves care about skin pigmintation?
Linnell's report in PDF format.
Some links to several other articles which cite attacks and deaths from wolves. Yep, they're dangerous Miss Virginia...
Even in Linnell's report which so presses the "no fatal attack on humans in N. America" finding and which so many people like to cite, he gives quite a few account of children being killed by wolves. Almost a majority I think. Chilling enough for ya? Just cause it hasn't happened here yet doesn't mean it will not. Wolves don't care if thier prey is American, Israeli, Spanish, or Indian.
Wolve's, neat as they are to hear while sitting around a campfire, need to remain an endangered species just to lessen thier numbers enough to keep the chances of these things happening again. Period.
Some articles:
Sure it's an article about India, but ya think wolves care about skin pigmintation?
Linnell's report in PDF format.
Some links to several other articles which cite attacks and deaths from wolves. Yep, they're dangerous Miss Virginia...
Sindawe
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And why is that El T? Just because they are wolves?
Fact of life which so many people like to forget is that when you go into the forests, you are NOT in a city park. You in in THEIR neighborhood, and when there the risks of running into one of the natives goes up. Don't like the risk? Stay in the frelling city.
Same could be said for an particular invasive plains ape that is no longer confined to its home continent of Africa.
Ryder
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Who says wolves are protected in Canada? My kid was dating a girl who's parents do a yearly wolf hunt in Ontario. I almost got in on one of those trips but relationships just aren't what they used to be it seems.
A human lacking fear of wolves could be just as likely an explanation.
A human lacking fear of wolves could be just as likely an explanation.
RWMC
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In 1994 there were official wolf sightings just 40 miles north of the Iowa/Minnesota border. That was 11 years ago. All a wolf needs to survive is water, food supply and a hillside to dig a hole into. We here in Iowa are now facing growing numbers of mountain lions. Just six miles south and seven miles west of my home here in central Iowa, a deer hunter last October had set up a game trail camera in the woods of Mormon Ridge, in Marshall County. Hoping to see night deer activity, he was surprised to discover the picture of a mountain lion! I have personally seen the picture. Many people say that the DNR are the ones bringing in the big cats to Iowa. DNR denies it. Several have been shot. Some have been hit by cars. There were reasons for the killing off of these predators. I cannot for the life of me figure out why officials want to reintroduce these proven killing machines ( wolves and lions ) to areas that have been free of them for a hundred years. The animal lovers who are thrilled at the large predator "come back" should have them dropped off into their back yard! The mountain lion is at this time not protected in Iowa. I will kill any that I see without hesitation. As for the poor folks who live in the states where the wolves are protected, you need to adopt the Wisconsin cattle ranchers philosophy of "shoot, shovel and shut-up!"
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