I had to move it because of the kids but I used to keep a pick handle propped up next to the front door. I haven't had to break up a dog fight but a couple of different times when I had a large dog I didn't recognize that acted aggressive in my yard it persuaded them to leave quickly.
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pepper spray would have taken care of this no problem.
Best thing to do, get a duty belt with a holster, flash light holster, dump pouch, mag holder, pepper can holder.
Keep it close to the bed. If the SHTF, then you have what you need close to hand. I have said this a few times on this board, some people take it seriously, some laugh. Not having a way to secure your weapon so that you can use both hands is a big problem.
Best thing to do, get a duty belt with a holster, flash light holster, dump pouch, mag holder, pepper can holder.
Keep it close to the bed. If the SHTF, then you have what you need close to hand. I have said this a few times on this board, some people take it seriously, some laugh. Not having a way to secure your weapon so that you can use both hands is a big problem.
Thanks for the responses guys. In thinking about it a little more, the light is definitely a must have and it would be well worth it to take the extra time to strap on a holster if there is a need to go outside.
The other thing that I learned was the benefit of having non-lethal or other non-gun alternative weapons. Shooting the dog was really out of the question with the woman there and it was also on a cement pad which would have been great for ricochets. A stout club and a can of pepper spray would have been just the ticket for this situation. I like the water idea as well but that is a little harder to do in the dark at a strange home.
The other thing that I learned was the benefit of having non-lethal or other non-gun alternative weapons. Shooting the dog was really out of the question with the woman there and it was also on a cement pad which would have been great for ricochets. A stout club and a can of pepper spray would have been just the ticket for this situation. I like the water idea as well but that is a little harder to do in the dark at a strange home.
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a co2 fire extiguisher makes em back off too and you can beat one into another zip code with it as well
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Zundfolge
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An Asp baton is a good choice. Can be carried collapsed in a pocket and deployed quickly.
Also, a Fobus paddle holster for your bedside gun is easy to grab and go and not too expensive.
I dunno ... My wife blasted a friendly lab in the face with a full dose of pepper spray once and it didn't phase it. (didn't know the dog was friendly until after she blasted it and when it got to her it just wanted to say hi). Not sure if it would be effective on an angry, adrenalin charged attacking dog.
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+1 On the pepper spray and water hose. With the pepper spray it would be wise to take a second and note wind direction because the last thing you want to be during a violent dogfight is blind.
Headlamps can be extremely helpful in a lot of different situations. I keep my flashlight and headlamp in a basket next to the bead.
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Headlamps can be extremely helpful in a lot of different situations. I keep my flashlight and headlamp in a basket next to the bead.
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Pepper spray will not stop a semi-serious fight.
I just had a female GSD and an American Bulldog get into it. I tried several shots of pepper spray into their face. It didn't even slow them down!
Thankfully the GSD was on a chain and I was able to grab the Bulldog by the tail and pull them apart. They both were OK but the pepper spray was just a waste of time.
I just had a female GSD and an American Bulldog get into it. I tried several shots of pepper spray into their face. It didn't even slow them down!
Thankfully the GSD was on a chain and I was able to grab the Bulldog by the tail and pull them apart. They both were OK but the pepper spray was just a waste of time.
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Long ago a meter reader came into our fenced yard (house was 200+ yards from the road) and our German Shepard started barking at him. Just barking, staying about 5 feet away. The idiot sprayed the dog in the face with pepper spray (maybe it was CS or CN, this was about 40 years ago.) The dog couldn't see, but he knew where the guy had been and started circling in on him. Lucky for him we were home (although if we weren't, the dog might not have been so protective.) My dad called the dog off, and told the MR that if he ever attacked our dog like that again, we were gonna let the dog finish his business.
We started reading our own meter and mailing it in after that.
The point is, pepper spray is not affective against a determined dog, even if you blind him with it.
We started reading our own meter and mailing it in after that.
The point is, pepper spray is not affective against a determined dog, even if you blind him with it.
mljdeckard
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I can't see why we tell the antis that pepper spray isn't a substitute for deadly force when dealing with bad people, but now we think that it's a good tool to stop an enraged dog?
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I don't think anybody is really saying that. This wasn't an attack against a person, but rather a dogfight in which the person who owned the property did not want the dog to be shot. The OP even went as far to ask her if she wanted him to shoot the dog and she said no.
This is more of a case of what else could have been done. I believe if this had been a case where the pit bull was attacking the woman we would be reading a thread about how the OP had to shoot and kill a neighbor's dog.
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I just have serious doubts about how easy it is to incapacitate a dog with the stuff. It's not as easy as it sounds to get in close to a dog that's fighting, if you do, you are putting yourself at risk, and if you keep your distance you might not get a good sweep of his face. When you DO hit him, it may or may not stop him from hurting you.
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I have broken up a few dogfights before and I couldn't agree more with what you just said. I just think the OP was asking people what else could he have tried to do that MAY have helped since the owner did not want the dog shot. I also believe that the if the dog would have turned and started attacking one of the people that the OP probably would have taken matters into his own hands so to speak.
Just to clarify, I'm not disagreeing with you. It was just my understanding that the OP was looking for alternatives.
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Just to clarify, I'm not disagreeing with you. It was just my understanding that the OP was looking for alternatives.
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My best friend is in the Marines. Before they are allowed to carry OC spray for non-compliant captures, they have to get sprayed in the face with it and then do hand to hand training. This same marine friend is actually a hand to hand combat trainer now, so he sprays the grunts and then makes them grapple with each other. He teaches me everything he knows and we grapple every time he gets leave.
Quick story. Last time said marine friend was home, we were grappling around in the grass in the back yard... Then he maced me while I was trying to catch my breath, proceeded to take me down and throw on a choke hold.
Basically, I can tell you from experience that it SUUUUUCCCKKKSSSS... but it is not disabling. It sure as heck wasn't fun and I was partially blind. But I could still fight. I DEFINITELY see how it would discourage petty criminals or dogs that are getting a bit hostile, but to dogs that are already seriously fighting or to a criminal that's determined... not so much.
I wasn't even in a fight for my life. We were just wrestling in the back yard and it just pissed me the F off. Don't listen to anti-gun people who say pepper spray is just as good. It ain't. If you need to, spray the dog, but be prepared to smack it with something heavy or shoot the thing. Just like criminals, pepper spray may or may not work, but a full magazine to the vitals usually does the trick.
Quick story. Last time said marine friend was home, we were grappling around in the grass in the back yard... Then he maced me while I was trying to catch my breath, proceeded to take me down and throw on a choke hold.
Basically, I can tell you from experience that it SUUUUUCCCKKKSSSS... but it is not disabling. It sure as heck wasn't fun and I was partially blind. But I could still fight. I DEFINITELY see how it would discourage petty criminals or dogs that are getting a bit hostile, but to dogs that are already seriously fighting or to a criminal that's determined... not so much.
I wasn't even in a fight for my life. We were just wrestling in the back yard and it just pissed me the F off. Don't listen to anti-gun people who say pepper spray is just as good. It ain't. If you need to, spray the dog, but be prepared to smack it with something heavy or shoot the thing. Just like criminals, pepper spray may or may not work, but a full magazine to the vitals usually does the trick.
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This guy needs a club and a light, has everyone forgot about 3 and 4 cell Maglites with D cells perfect for bed side light and I've never seen a better club. plus if you bend or break it they'll send you a new one. Two tools in one light and club.
We have all gotten tunnel vision about lights, they have to be small, they have to bright and they have to mount on your favorite weapon. Those old Maglites still have place, just like us old guy's.
We have all gotten tunnel vision about lights, they have to be small, they have to bright and they have to mount on your favorite weapon. Those old Maglites still have place, just like us old guy's.
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i don't know my friends and i played with stun guns we did have a rule no zapping anyone while they were driving. and no zapping anywhere you couldn't touch em in public
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I have to run home from my co-op (a school for homeschoolrs, complicated..) but anyways was confronted by a nasty growling pit once, flipped out my S&W knife, and kept it between me and dog while freakin bellowing at the d*** thing which scared it slightly I slashed at it with terrific violence a few times, taking off a few hairs, but nothing serious, its crackhead owner came out and brought it inside and I demanded he keep the thing up, he muttered some profanity and went in, now I carry a 12 inch bowie, and some pepper spray, or a crowbar, Dad said I can't throw my 12 gauge on my shoulder hahaha
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Sounds like you did the best you could with what you had, and everything turned out alright.
Personally, I keep a pair of shoes by my bed that can be put on without socks: I know crocs/flip flops are not the most "tacticool" of shoes, and they offer very little protection from the top and sides, but when it comes to putting them on quickly, they can't be beat. I also usually keep a jacket nearby, one with pockets. It would be faster to grab that, and put it on while running out the door, than it would to try and muck around with a holster while running out the door, IMHO. There may be better setup for your situation, but that is what I have.
As far as flashlights go, I recently bought some really good LED flashlights from COSTCO, it was something like $20 for a two pack. You could go with the ever popular maglite, which would double as that impact weapon you were looking for, but its gonna be heavier.
I hope that you don't have to deal with that problem again, but as others have pointed out, you may very well need to. Also, I would like to say, that I think you did the right thing: Not everyone would go out to lend a hand to a stranger at night.
Personally, I keep a pair of shoes by my bed that can be put on without socks: I know crocs/flip flops are not the most "tacticool" of shoes, and they offer very little protection from the top and sides, but when it comes to putting them on quickly, they can't be beat. I also usually keep a jacket nearby, one with pockets. It would be faster to grab that, and put it on while running out the door, than it would to try and muck around with a holster while running out the door, IMHO. There may be better setup for your situation, but that is what I have.
As far as flashlights go, I recently bought some really good LED flashlights from COSTCO, it was something like $20 for a two pack. You could go with the ever popular maglite, which would double as that impact weapon you were looking for, but its gonna be heavier.
I hope that you don't have to deal with that problem again, but as others have pointed out, you may very well need to. Also, I would like to say, that I think you did the right thing: Not everyone would go out to lend a hand to a stranger at night.
Thing about dog fights is you need to think, rather than just react.
A hose might work, but no guarantees. Pepper spray, fire extinguisher, etc, these are just useless. A club, pretty useless against a pit bull. There have been cases where a pitbull jaw had to be cut off of it's dead body to release what it was holding.
You might want to look into a breaking stick, or find a tool that will work similarly. It can function as a decent thumper, but most importantly, you can use it to open a pitbull's jaw. It is entirely possible that you will be able to open the dog's jaw without harming either dog and separate the dogs peacefully.
Now, on the other hand, *** were you thinking leaving the gun lying around when someone you didn't know was around?
A hose might work, but no guarantees. Pepper spray, fire extinguisher, etc, these are just useless. A club, pretty useless against a pit bull. There have been cases where a pitbull jaw had to be cut off of it's dead body to release what it was holding.
You might want to look into a breaking stick, or find a tool that will work similarly. It can function as a decent thumper, but most importantly, you can use it to open a pitbull's jaw. It is entirely possible that you will be able to open the dog's jaw without harming either dog and separate the dogs peacefully.
Now, on the other hand, *** were you thinking leaving the gun lying around when someone you didn't know was around?
We raise coonhounds of all breeds for years and during that time seen some major dog on dog fights as well as dog on coon fights. I learned that a bucket of water will break up a real good fight a lot of the time when handy. And if you want a dog to loose their bite grip on something cut a small stiff hickory and hit them across the top of the mouth just behind the nose. No dog can stand this and will turn loose with just a few licks with the hickory. Seen it work time after time. You still might need a gun if your a stranger to the dog.
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