Woman utilizing self-defense gets her pistol taken but husband saves her with his pistol

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You'd rather have them sit at home and waiting for the cops can chase a sick perv down the street.
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If a possible outcome is having your gun taken away from you and used to kill you, yes. I would proceed with more caution and less reckless abandon. I would go as far as say she is lucky to be able to have the chance to not do that again.

Texas gives us a lot more room than many other States, especially when it comes to our property at night but there are limits. It’s often referred to “stand your ground” not “run them down”. :)


 
Since 2015, Texas has had a Peeping Tom law change being a Class C misdemeanor for the first offense, Class B for the 2nd, and a felony if the viewee is under 15. And even though this took place at night, I am not sure how it would fit with Texas lethal force law for crimes at night. Certainly, the pursuit aspect does not seem covered. The parents certainly had the right to be armed to approach the trespassing peeping Tom while on property, but that would seem to be about the limit of their legal authority.
 
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i still think he did well
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same'ol,

This isn't to shame you or make any accusation, but your reactions are pretty common (obviously the reaction of the Tx parents), and part of what this forum is intended to help address.

One of the best explanations of what makes a justifiable use of deadly force that was given to me was from an LEO who was in a defensive handgun class. He explained to the civilians that if we're in fear as opposed to angry then it is easy to justify use of deadly force. If we're hot, mad, "upset", or anything other than reacting feeling fear and terrified that someone is right now going to physically harm or kill you or yours the only good decision is to step back and get your anger under control. If you've chased them away so they're not an immanent threat of grave bodily injury or death, let them go. Check on your family, make sure they're physically ok and not in need of EMS, and call the cops and tell them what happened, what the BG looked like, what direction the threat fled. You don't want to go hounding off after some miscreant only to find you left someone dear to you without the medical care they needed to survive.

We all have far more experience acting in anger than in fear and we tend to model our behavior on what we're most familiar with when we very much need to be thinking about the best course of action for a dangerous situation instead of the common one for something else.
 
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A trained forward “snap kick” by that Lady to the attackers Groin might have slowed him down. :eek:

But somehow Krav Maga etc is never combined (by other people) with guns on these gun topics. I'm 65, and began Krav classes at age 64 (now up to "green belt").

If the gun can’t be used -- even You can be ambushed ("Oh no I Can't"), -- and you can’t run- Why Be Out Of Ideas….?



Or learn......how to do an " Elbow Strike" etc --------------;)
 
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Their actions were foolish. Just a minor point. If you are holding someone at gunpoint (great idea) and you are close enough for them to easily reach you, you have no idea of what you are doing.

Here's a take on it. In class (I always push training to break the emotional crap), it was pointed out that the naive gives the bad person a command. Said bad person doesn't comply (ignore that you have no reason to use lethal force to make them comply in situations like this). You get upset! Your dominance is challenged. So you get closer and yell louder! You get closer! OOPS!

Distance is your friend. Of course, this whole incident was a cluster instance of reproductive actions.
 
I agree with most everything above. A couple of points out of the article:
  • The assailant was pleasuring himself
  • The daughter is 10
  • The daughter had “previously complained about someone observing her through the window”
  • The gas station was across the street.
I am guessing the parent’s emotions were running pretty high based on the write up. Not excusing them, as they will have a tough road ahead of them.

The bad news - the DA is Ogg. She is of the type to “free the prisoners”, reduced bail, and etc. The good news, it will hard (not impossible) for a jury to convict, so the process will be the punishment.

https://app.dao.hctx.net/
 
same'ol said:
Assuming they didn't get a good look at the perp's face and can't get a good sketch on him when the cops comes through. You'd rather have them sit at home and waiting for the cops can chase a sick perv down the street.
Who knows how long he has been watching her ? Think that was the first time?
He could have been following her, Now let that sink it for a minute.
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As a Texas law enforcement officer I would rather not have the parents leaving the house during the night and possibly walking into an ambush while leaving the child alone. What they should have done was forted up, protected their child and called 911 while giving the best description possible of the suspect.
 
Double Naught Spy said:
The parents certainly had the right to be armed to approach the trespassing peeping Tom while on property,...
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Kleanbore said:
They had the right to "be armed", but not to use or threaten deadly force to terminate trespass.
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Ah, but it really wasn't just a trespasser was it? Going back and rereading the story, he wasn't just a peeping Tom. Nope. It was a sexual offender (standing outside daughter's window and fondling himself - committing a lewd act in front of a minor) that the parents could rightfully believe was a sexual predator and a danger to their daughter. If the couple gets charged, I highly doubt they will be charged with an crime committed on their own property.

Should they have pursued him and tried to apprehend him after leaving the property? Of course not.
 
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It was a sexual offender (standing outside daughter's window and fondling himself - committing a lewd act in front of a minor) that the parents could rightfully believe was a sexual predator and a danger to their daughter.
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"Outside" is the operative word, and he therefore did not present an imminent danger.
 
One other major error committed by these folk was to make public statements about the incident.

That could be the final thing hat proves their undoing.
 
Kleanbore said:
"Outside" is the operative word, and he therefore did not present an imminent danger.
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Outside a window which offers no protection. It is about perception. The man was outside the daughter's window performing a lewd act. You don't think the parents perceived him as being an immediate threat to their daughter?

With that said, the parents are still not arrested.
 
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Outside a window which offers no protection. It is about perception. The man was outside the daughter's window performing a lewd act. You don't think the parents perceived him as being an immediate threat to their daughter?
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He stopped being an immediate threat when he ran. That should have been the end of the parents involvement.

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With that said, the parents are still not arrested.
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Just because they weren’t immediately arrested you shouldn’t assume they are in the clear. Daniel Perry who shot a BLM protestor who allegedly pointed an AK at him during a protest in Austin was charged with murder today, a few days short of a year after the shooting.
 
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It is about perception. The man was outside the daughter's window performing a lewd act. You don't think the parents perceived him as being an immediate threat to their daughter?
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It is about reasonable belief. What they may hav perceived is by no means sufficient.
 
Wow! Did the parents both go to jail? Just going by the limited facts in the article they're probably guilty of more and more serious crimes than the alleged pervert/peeper! Their daughter stands a good chance of becoming a ward of the state! Probably not what they planned when they chased a guy across the street and shot him.
 
Jeff White said:
He stopped being an immediate threat when he ran. That should have been the end of the parents involvement.
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And he stopped being a threat when the parents went outside, armed. Sure enough. Yes, once he left their property, that should have been the end of their involvement, I agree.

Jeff White said:
Just because they weren’t immediately arrested you shouldn’t assume they are in the clear.
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I made a statement of fact when I said they were still not arrested. You made the statement of assumption on what I was assuming. Nobody is ever "in the clear" on any such altercation until the statute of limitations runs out or until being found not guilty in a trial.

Kleanbore said:
It is about reasonable belief. What they may hav perceived is by no means sufficient.
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I don't think that is going to be an issue, LOL, as far as them going outside with their guns and confronting the man on their property.
 
Phaedrus/69 said:
Wow! Did the parents both go to jail? Just going by the limited facts in the article they're probably guilty of more and more serious crimes than the alleged pervert/peeper! Their daughter stands a good chance of becoming a ward of the state! Probably not what they planned when they chased a guy across the street and shot him.
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Again, neither have been arrested as of yet.
 
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