Wonder if I messed up....

[beachwalker]

I have a CCP.
I have purchased 7 handguns through the years at a local gun shop.
Several more rifles in the same State from gun dealers.

If push comes to shove, looks like someone will be knocking at my door since there must be records of what I have and that I have a CCP.

 

[Birdmang]

I don't know what youre getting at.

 

[beachwalker]

That the authorities would have access to everything I have and fact I have CCP if marshal law or the like became an issue in the future,

 

[kingpin008]

If martial law becomes an issue in the future, you've got much, much more to worry about than "the authorities" knowing what guns you have.

And for that matter, if martial law becomes an issue, the authorities will have more to worry about than what guns you have.

People need to stop fretting about this - it's virtually a non-issue. A heck of a lot of bad stuff would have to happen for this sort of thing to actually be worth worrying about. If you're really that worried, stop buying from shops and go FTF only. Problem solved.

 

[mljdeckard]

^^Exactly. Which is a more realistic concern? Day to day personal security, or worrying about what happens when The Man decides to come get your guns?

If you feel that strongly about it, get some guns through face-to-face transfers with no paperwork.

 

[beachwalker]

I'm guessing many folks have had the same concern from time to time. The replies to the question make a lot of sense and are well taken. I think I've may have read Unintended Consequences one too many times.

 

[WeedWacker]

 

[IdahoLT1]

If Lake Ozarks is in Missouri, you dont need to worry. Missouri doesnt register any firearms.

 

[beachwalker]

It is, thanks. I wasn't losing any sleep over the subject, just heard a group of folks that used to sell guns in their pawn shop and they said the ATF had managed to shut down several dealers by demanding records that went back over 20 years on individual gun sales. Then even if reproduced, they would fine or refuse to renew their licenses over smallest insignificant detail on paperwork. Several shops went out of business and in fact this shop decided it just wasn't worth the hassle. Along the same lines, they assumed next step would be some master list of individuals who had "too many guns" and or had concealed carry permit.

 

[M-Cameron]

Along the same lines, they assumed next step would be some master list of individuals who had "too many guns" and or had concealed carry permit.

you have 7 handguns and a few rifles..........if for some reason the Govt. came for people with "too many guns".......there are other people MUCH higher on that list than you are........


you seem to have this delusion that because you are a responsible gun owner with a CCP....that you are somehow doing something wrong.........or you are skirting the system and the govt will soon be after you.......... you arent.

 

[Unistat]

Except Katrina. House to house gun confiscation.

While I'm not paranoid enough for it to make me buy all my guns in face-to-face transactions, it is not fair to say that it never has happened or is not going to happen again.

I am slightly comforted that after Katrina gun confiscation in emergencies was made illegal by both Federal and State of Michigan law.

 

[beachwalker]

I agree, that's all I was saying. I certainly didn't feel I was doing anything wrong, in fact I am proud of being able to carry as well as the modest number of guns I have. So no guilt, no paranoia, just realization in this day and age it doesn't take much to become a target for some strange things. Again, thanks for all of the information and ideas!

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[kingpin008]

Except Katrina. House to house gun confiscation.

Apples to oranges. The Katrina confiscations took place during a simultaneous house-to-house attempt at forced evacuation. There was no "master list" of gun owners or CCW holders that the police were using to target gun owners.

 

[WillDe83]

if you buy 20 guns a month, i can see someone taking notice of you. nothing to worry about enjoy your guns and buy more if u want

 

[beachwalker]

OK!!!

What is it about guns! More than self defense, just something hard to explain. I think it all started with a double gun holster and shootin' shell revolvers that I practically lived with. Thanks to all.

 

[sharkmandan]

Perspective from the PRK

I live in the People's Republik of California, and I don't even worry about it that much.

Way back in the day, long before California came up with mandatory registration of all firearms transactions, I bought and sold MANY guns. A few were even voluntarily registered, and some were purchased new, and registered that way. Most were sold LONG before the requirement for sellers to complete a transaction through a licensed dealer. I have no doubt that there are at least a dozen guns out there, which are registered to me, but I haven't owned for 20+ years, simply because up until the 1990's, The PRK did not require registration upon transfer. I likely still have many guns that were never registered, because I acquired them long before then, but even more that ARE registered to me, because of the change in the law, and that I now buy most of my guns new, anyway.

As a retired LEO, with an HR 218 cert., I have no concern, that the state will deem me, as having "too many" guns, and come looking for me, even when "The Big One" hits The PRK. It's just a non-issue. That's saying something, when you live in this much of a socialist state.

That all said, I am in process of moving to a state with far more firearms freedom, than any other, this side of Vermont, and it will all be a moot point, at that time.

 

[cburton95]

One more point that I'd like to add is that even if you bought guns from a licensed shop, and they were registered, they can't assume that you've kept all of them throughout the years. For all they know, you've sold/broke all of them before buying a new one.

 

[Unistat]

Apples to oranges. The Katrina confiscations took place during a simultaneous house-to-house attempt at forced evacuation. There was no "master list" of gun owners or CCW holders that the police were using to target gun owners.

That's true, but it's more like Oranges to Tangerines, if you ask me. If there was pistol registration in LA (as there is here in MI) do you not think that the confiscators wouldn't have used a list to verify that they got the guns?

The reason no list was used in Katrina, is beacause no list exists.

 

[kingpin008]

That's true, but it's more like Oranges to Tangerines, if you ask me. If there was pistol registration in LA (as there is here in MI) do you not think that the confiscators wouldn't have used a list to verify that they got the guns?

No, for the following reason - as far as I understand it, the main reason for the cops & National Guard being there was to attempt to get people to leave the area. The guns issue was secondary. So even if they did have a "master list" of some sort, all it takes is "I sold those a long time ago". If they want to search, go ahead. They'll be in the huge, heavy, locked safe or hidden safely away. I can't see the cops trashing every house of every gun owner they have records on looking for the guns that they may or may not still have in their possession.

Also, keep in mind that by the time the gov't comes knocking on your door demanding your guns, some seriously, seriously bad things have transpired in the country. If you haven't taken steps to either leave the area or find some way to secure or hide your guns (and other important survival supplies) from anyone coming to confiscate them, it kinda doesn't matter what lists whoever comes has. You dropped the preparedness ball.

 

[Onward Allusion]

WillDe83
if you buy 20 guns a month, i can see someone taking notice of you. nothing to worry about enjoy your guns and buy more if u want

It depends... If it's for your personal enjoyment/collection why would it be a red flag? If you do business strictly with a single FFL or store, sure - the FFL/Store may give the BATFE a call to protect themselves. If you're buying one here one there, who is going to know (unless you live in one of the non-free States).

Heck, if you have enough disposable income to buy 20 guns a month for your personal collection, more power to ya!

 

[Art Eatman]

Granted, some good points made. But it's not really about guns as guns, or about legal issues affecting us as gun owners.