zaitcev
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It's not like CZ guns are canceled by this release. You don't need to wish for DW to do the same.
Word on the Street is the DWX is for real…
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BreechFace
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Sure made for a low bore axis, for sure.
HighRoadRover
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As always, it makes sense to be patient, to see if there are any bugs, to wait for the prices to stabilize, etc., but it may be hard to wait! The DNA in this pistol is excellent.
rayatphonix
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Just what I didn’t need to hear…. I’ve got tired of waiting and bought a TS2 and love it. I wonder if the that trigger can be improved?
Who am I kidding? I’ll have one sometime in ‘23.
Who am I kidding? I’ll have one sometime in ‘23.
JR24
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Originally it was advertised as interchangeable (I think the grips interchanged with another model) and they had planned to offer a carry model that was shown in all black.
But that was 3 years ago so who knows
sevt_chevelle
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Grips are cz 75
Mags are p09
Rear sight is shadow 2
Trigger shoe, hammer, sear and other fire control parts are 1911.
Mags are p09
Rear sight is shadow 2
Trigger shoe, hammer, sear and other fire control parts are 1911.
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Agreed. I didn’t expect so much interest in this gun. Seems pretty boring to me. But then again, most new gun offerings seem that way today.
JR24
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The appeal really is getting that 1911 trigger on a reasonably sized double stack gun. I’ve found 2011s just don’t do it for me, especially 1 handed.
This and the EDC X9 fill that niche.
I suppose this will compete with the Shadows and other CZ models that still have very nice SA triggers, but the safety placement on a typical CZ doesn’t work for my mutant thumb at all, so the standard 1911 safety placement is key.
But it is a niche, so I do wonder how many will they really sell.
Madcap_Magician
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This is really not a 2011 competitor as much as it's a Wilson Combat X9 competitor. I'm at the top of the list for the compact version with one of the dealers who got the full-size pretty fast, and he said they're expecting the compacts very soon as well, but that you have to keep in mind they've been saying this since 2019...
JR24
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Between this AND the EDC X9 I wish they had used a more 1911 feel in the grip. CZ compact arent my favorite and the EDC X9 feels more like a Sig to me than a 1911.
sevt_chevelle
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Just got a call from my local shop, they got one that will be there on Monday, it's got my name on it as I've been waiting 3 years for one.
Jim Watson
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I'm scared to ask. It is interesting but I don't know what I would do with it except displace a perfectly good gun already on hand.
Madcap_Magician
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That would just be a lot more like a 2011 though, wouldn't it? The DWX they were going for a CZ75/1911 hybrid feel.
Old Dog
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Yawn. I can wait.
I'm a huge 1911 fan and also love the CZ-75 and many of its offshoots.
This one, though - pure marketing. "What began as an innovative idea among the brilliant minds at CZ and Dan Wesson resulted in the jaw-dropping DWX pistol..." Really, if you have to advertise your own products with this amount of hyperbole, well, it's all just hype until the thing has actually been in production, purchased and tested.
This pistol seems to fill a niche already occupied by the superb SIG-Sauer P-226 Legion SAO and a couple of the proven Wilson Combat pistols (EDC X9), while STI sells boatloads of Staccatos. And the DWX is uglier (what's up with those garish red grips and red trigger anyway?) than all these to boot.
I'll shoot the thing, maybe even buy one, but for now, I can't get even a little bit excited at all about a pistol that hasn't even made it to the gun shops.
I'm a huge 1911 fan and also love the CZ-75 and many of its offshoots.
This one, though - pure marketing. "What began as an innovative idea among the brilliant minds at CZ and Dan Wesson resulted in the jaw-dropping DWX pistol..." Really, if you have to advertise your own products with this amount of hyperbole, well, it's all just hype until the thing has actually been in production, purchased and tested.
This pistol seems to fill a niche already occupied by the superb SIG-Sauer P-226 Legion SAO and a couple of the proven Wilson Combat pistols (EDC X9), while STI sells boatloads of Staccatos. And the DWX is uglier (what's up with those garish red grips and red trigger anyway?) than all these to boot.
I'll shoot the thing, maybe even buy one, but for now, I can't get even a little bit excited at all about a pistol that hasn't even made it to the gun shops.
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Well, this one really did capture my attention, ‘way back when. I am now on a smaller, post-retirement budget, so, my interest, in any new pistol, will probably have to be academic, unless i manage to start a lucrative second career. I am not bitter, and am happy for you young ‘uns.
It is not that I will never again buy new firearms, but, they are going to be much fewer, and much farther between.
It is not that I will never again buy new firearms, but, they are going to be much fewer, and much farther between.
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JR24
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Sure, just saying what I’d want.
1KPerDay
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Nonsense. The bore axis is the same whether the rails are inside or outside. Measure it.
Zerodefect
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Get some standard Lok bogies for grips. Remove the trigger and dip it in a cup of oven cleaner. The red comes off. If you're lucky, sometimes anno turns black or grey before coming off, which might look cool.
sevt_chevelle
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Glock advertising enters the chat and starts to laugh.
Mauser lover
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True, but I never said I wanted DW to cancel anything. And I still wish they had done the inside-out slide. I'd love a 1911 trigger on a small frame CZ (meaning, the CZ75 frame, not the one on the Czechmate). Cajun Gun Works triggers are good, but not 1911 good. I don't carry my Tanfo Elite Limited (or whatever they call it now) because it is HUGE. A 1911 trigger (better than any CZ or Tanfo trigger out there) and safety on a CZ75 compact would become my carry gun right quick.
I don't wish the DW had been cancelled. I hope they do well! I'm a capitalist who believes that value in the world is not a closed system! Through production, everyone's slice of the pie can get bigger, all at the same time. I'm glad DW figured out how to manufacture/market this, and I wish them gobs of money as they supply what the market wants. After they get done with that, I'd like to make their slice of the pie bigger by buying something like this with an inside-out slide. I'm not even saying I won't buy one of these! I need to fill that 1911-sized hole in my collection somehow.
Just for the naysayers out there, I love the red. I don't know if I'd pay extra for it, but if it were the same price as black, I'd pick the red. I have it on good authority that red parts go faster.
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Compare the CZ75B at 1.57” to the Sig P226 at 1.80”
Or the Beretta 92s, or the Beretta PX4 or the FN FNX.
Those are two direct competitors (CZ 75b and Sig p226), both hammer fired full frame handguns.
I guess unless you are getting at the fact that CZ could have designed the CZ75B opposite of what they did and achieve the same height, but I’m no firearms engineer, so I and you can only hypothesize that is a fact. But I’ll give you it that it seems they could.
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Old Dog
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To be clear though, Glock did not start the "Perfection" advertising campaign until its pistols were firmly established in the civilian, military and law enforcement markets.
NOT prior to any Glock pistols becoming available to the general public...
1KPerDay
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The P226 is notoriously tall. I'd like to see how they measured these. Was it via photos? The CZ was ostensibly based on the Hi Power which as you can see has a lower bore axis (according to this chart) and has inside rails. Regardless, the placement of the rails, whether inside or outside the slide, doesn't have anything to do with the bore axis. Everyone parrots the belief that it does because the slide LOOKS like it's lower in the frame. But basically all that's happening is the frame is taller along the sides of the slide and conceals part of the slide below the rails. The bore is in the same location it needs to be mechanically relative to the hammer, the locking mechanism, the guts, the magazine, the next round, etc.
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They measured from center of trigger pull to center of bore.
https://www.guntweaks.com/pistol-bore-axis-comparison-what-is-low-bore-axis.html
They go into details of alignment and how the steeper Glock angle is to allow for a lower bore axis which puts the web of the hand higher than the trigger and thus the trigger is at a downward angle so having the grip and trigger housing angled to account is how some manufacturers deal with this. The article does well to describe this.
They get into just slide size causing a higher center of gravity of the moving parts thus causing an exaggerated recoil impulse/muzzle flip. They detail this in comparing opposites in this regard with the P226 and the Steyr.
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