Would This be a SAFE Load?

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I just bought a Pietta 1858 case hardened model Remington from Cabela's. I plan on purchasing a Howell's Conversion Cylinder for it in .45 ACP. I have hundreds of .45 ACP rounds that I've handloaded, for a 1911 that I no longer own...6.5 grains of Unique/185 grain Berry's HBRN. Would these rounds be "safe" to use in the Remington/Howell's .45 Cylinder? If not, what would be a "safe" load using Trail Boss/185 gr Berry's 185 HBRN?
 
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What do the handloads measure at as far as velocity? Most conversion cylinders are generally suggested for BP, subs, or smokeless loads utilizing cast bullets at around 900-1000 FPS. Make the loads like a Special, not a Magnum. Of course .45 ACP is a nice "beefy" cartridge, can't complain about that. The only problem I can see with loading hotter cartridges for conversion cylinders is that they aren't rated to take hotter powders and heavier bullets, and the frame isn't tempered to take the strain caused by the bullet swaging into the lands and grooves rifling and traveling down the barrel.
 
What loading manual provided your starting point for the load?
All the legitimate sources of reloading information I've used provide SOME pressure (or other) data to help the person doing the handload realize what to expect.
You've left out too much information for any among us to help you determine the relative safety of your load.
 
If you have the velocity I can tell you whether or not the handloads you have would be safe to use in a Howell's conversion cylinder. I would not endorse the use of jacketed bullets in conversion cylinders, as they could put strain and wear on the barrel and frame. The barrels were meant for lead bullets, if that's what a barrel is designed to shoot, by all means take advantage of it. Keep in mind you are using a sixgun, not an auto loader. Assuming you currently load .45 ACP you can use some pretty fine bullets for your gun that you could extend the range with. You might even be able to find some cast Kieth SWC's to use in your Remington, provided the twist will stabilize the given projectile. Now that's a very excellent bullet style, very nice looking too.

Of course to be fair I'm related to the outstanding gentleman who created the Kieth SWC, so I may be more partial to that design as opposed to others. But in my S&W they are good and accurate, no doubt about it. The larger meplate of the bullet seems to cut a nice hole in paper, and also seems to increase the downrange performance of the loads. I shot some not too long ago and they were very great bullets.

Just my thoughts on this, I think you could have a target grade weapon with the right bullets and charge of powder. That charge may be 4.5 grains of Unique, or .4.6, increase your loads in SMALL increments and make sure you aren't putting anything more than standard velocity ammunition in there.

I said this before and I'll say it again, load the cartridges for this weapon like a special, not a magnum.

Is it me or am I sounding like Elmer Kieth? I've been reading so much about different pistol bullet styles and weights and how they effect the trajectory, chamber pressure, downrange performance, velocity, and general ballistics. I find the internal ballistics of handgun cartridges to be fascinating, there's just so many outstanding options out there.
Now that I've started loading metallic cartridges I'm loving it! :D
 
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You are a bit more conservative than old Elmer was, Busyhands. Remember Elmer Kieth was the inventer of the magnum load, and blew up some sixguns getting there. Say, have you read ''sixguns'', by Kieth, yet? if not, get on down to the library, you're in for a treat.
 
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The plated Berry's are SUPPOSE to act like Lead, rather than FMJ. As for the FPS...I have a question on the "Handloading and Reloading" Forum about FPS/CUP pressure which nobody has responded too. As far as FPS, I THINK this load should be under 1,000 FPS, but I haven't Chrono'ed it. I just can't find any definative info on this exact load. There seems to be less pressure using a lighter grain bullet (185 gr vs. 230 gr.) using the same grain weight of powder. I just don't want to try anything foolish...
 
You are a bit more conservative than old Elmer was, Busyhands. Remember Elmer Kieth was the inventer of the magnum load, and blew up some sixguns getting there. Say, have you read ''sixguns'', by Kieth, yet? if not, get on down to the library, you're in for a treat.
I think I do tend to keep stuff within the perimeters of safety, but at the same time I've been known to load certain firearms hotter than the recommended load and increase their performance while doing so. Hence the ballistic crack from a Remington, or some pretty hot loads in my Super Companion. Of course like Elmer I would choose a sixgun over an auto to defend myself, that's what I keep by my bedside (as well as a few other surprises) and I feel absolutely confident in my choice of firearm.

For my 9th birthday my mom got me Sixguns and I have it somewhere, just need to find it. Good book! :)
 
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If you're using 200gr lead bullets, the do not exceed for Unique is 5.1gr, and if you're using 185 lead then 6.0 is the recommended max according to the Lee loading manuel; that gives 875fps for the 185 and 810fps for the 200gr and within load tolerances for cowboy loads. Your specs, unless for a lighter bullet aren't safe in any conversion gun, as stated the frame and barrel are rated for real black or equal. As stated the b/p guns don't hold up well with jacketed bullets; more friction and higher pressures as well as early wear to the forcing cone, be safe and get loading instructions, all powder companies give them out on their sites, if they aren't reloads, then stick to low pressure loads with lead bullets. Look up the loads for the standard 45Colt and do not exceed those pressures and you'll be all right. 45acp's are cheap, but are made for higher pressure guns, but there are many loaded down for match use or indoor range use.
 
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