scythefwd
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Why is this gun a 1k gun?
Would you settle on this finish quality on a 1k+ gun?
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millertyme
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Someone said because it is a scaled down 1911 designed to feed and function reliably with shorted ammo like 40SW and 9mm. I think it's because Springfield Armory says so.
I would ask myself, would these scratches ended up there any way? If so, I wouldn't worry about, especially since once you start putting rounds down the barrel the value of the gun is no longer $1000. Then again, maybe that's why I have no intention of paying $1000 for a gun that doesn't do anything better than $500 gun. I'm very utilitarian like that. Aesthetics are for girls. Men should be practical.
I would ask myself, would these scratches ended up there any way? If so, I wouldn't worry about, especially since once you start putting rounds down the barrel the value of the gun is no longer $1000. Then again, maybe that's why I have no intention of paying $1000 for a gun that doesn't do anything better than $500 gun. I'm very utilitarian like that. Aesthetics are for girls. Men should be practical.
rellascout
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For me the trigger is a non-issue. I have ones that look a lot worse. If it is not a mechanical issue then let it go.
The barrel I have any issue with. When assembling the pistol, testing function etc... this should have never left the factory on any gun not just a $1000 one. I have a sub $200 surplus CZ 82 which looks better than that.
The barrel I have any issue with. When assembling the pistol, testing function etc... this should have never left the factory on any gun not just a $1000 one. I have a sub $200 surplus CZ 82 which looks better than that.
MidwestRookie
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I wouldn't be ok with a barrel that looked like that on any gun...
When you buy a product, not just a gun any product, the difference between average and excellent, is normally the work that went ito making it look like what it cost.
Otherwis no one would buy a Rolex, hell it's going to get messed up anyhow, or a porshe, or a nighthawk or anything that was based on the system which we created in order to place a value on things.
When I bought my porshe, if it had a big scratch going down the side, and the dealer told me, "hell what are you worried about, your probablly going to do one just like that yourself in a week" , I would tell him to suck an egg. There is an expectation of quality that comes along with branding and price. You want to eay at burger king, that's fine, maybe a hair in your french fries is ok, But not at La Cirque. You can justify anything to yourself to make it more palatable, but don't ever let anone try to convince you that a flaw is ok because it was bound to happen, unless it is a normal condition that naturally occurs in this type of weapon.
And never let anyone "tell" you that something you know is wrong is just "the way life is".
Otherwis no one would buy a Rolex, hell it's going to get messed up anyhow, or a porshe, or a nighthawk or anything that was based on the system which we created in order to place a value on things.
When I bought my porshe, if it had a big scratch going down the side, and the dealer told me, "hell what are you worried about, your probablly going to do one just like that yourself in a week" , I would tell him to suck an egg. There is an expectation of quality that comes along with branding and price. You want to eay at burger king, that's fine, maybe a hair in your french fries is ok, But not at La Cirque. You can justify anything to yourself to make it more palatable, but don't ever let anone try to convince you that a flaw is ok because it was bound to happen, unless it is a normal condition that naturally occurs in this type of weapon.
And never let anyone "tell" you that something you know is wrong is just "the way life is".
LeonCarr
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I won't say it.
Art Eatman
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"Aesthetics are for girls. Men should be practical."
Aw, c'mon millertyme. Don't insult men that way. I'm practical, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate pretty things.
Aw, c'mon millertyme. Don't insult men that way. I'm practical, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate pretty things.
scythefwd
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"Someone said because it is a scaled down 1911 designed to feed and function reliably with shorted ammo like 40SW and 9mm"
It's a push feed semi auto. They've been doing that in 9mm an .40sw for years in sub compact. The angle of the feed ramp, length, and how far back the slide moves is very well known. Copying a design, though it is in miniature, is pretty basic. The R&D involved in re-implementing a 100 year old design in smaller proportions is pretty minimal. I'll be the first to admit that I think the 1911 design is solid but far from the best for compact guns. I also admit that is suscribe to simplicty in design is perfection. My point is that I still don't see why this is a $1k gun. I've held 1k guns, shoot my hi power is appraised at that, but I'm not sure why it is either.
I'm just trying to understand what makes this gun worth 1.5 times what a full size is.
It's a push feed semi auto. They've been doing that in 9mm an .40sw for years in sub compact. The angle of the feed ramp, length, and how far back the slide moves is very well known. Copying a design, though it is in miniature, is pretty basic. The R&D involved in re-implementing a 100 year old design in smaller proportions is pretty minimal. I'll be the first to admit that I think the 1911 design is solid but far from the best for compact guns. I also admit that is suscribe to simplicty in design is perfection. My point is that I still don't see why this is a $1k gun. I've held 1k guns, shoot my hi power is appraised at that, but I'm not sure why it is either.
I'm just trying to understand what makes this gun worth 1.5 times what a full size is.
BamAlmighty
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It is a $1000 gun, because that is what the mass are willing to pay for it.
The issues have been resolved and I am now very happy with it.
The issues have been resolved and I am now very happy with it.
JohnBT
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"I've held 1k guns"
That's nice. I've held $40,000 shotguns, does that make me an expert on them? Nope. Maybe one day.
But seriously, what's a grand anymore, two or three car payments for most people?
That's nice. I've held $40,000 shotguns, does that make me an expert on them? Nope. Maybe one day.
But seriously, what's a grand anymore, two or three car payments for most people?
scythefwd
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John, I'm not getting into a pissing contest on who has held the most expensive gun. I just don't see why they are charging what they are. The HP retails for about that. Many customized 1911 sell for that.
3 car payments isnt a whole lot, your right, but I have seen as good of bluing, fit and finish, and function on much less expensive guns. 40k shotgun? Nice, what was it? I've may have held one worth that, I'm not sure what grade that Parker I held was, but it potentially was worth a lot more (due to rarity, and that it is a good shotgun). In new condition, I could see it being a $1k shotgun, but it wouldnt be worth the 10-100k that they go for on auction.
More to the point, the cost of the gun irrelevant to the quality of the finish. Cost is, for the most part, subjective. While there are many people that would pay 1k for that gun, there are just as many that wouldn't. Judging the finish after you (not specifically, but in a general way) decided that it was worth 1k to you is like closing the barn door after the horses are already out.
3 car payments isnt a whole lot, your right, but I have seen as good of bluing, fit and finish, and function on much less expensive guns. 40k shotgun? Nice, what was it? I've may have held one worth that, I'm not sure what grade that Parker I held was, but it potentially was worth a lot more (due to rarity, and that it is a good shotgun). In new condition, I could see it being a $1k shotgun, but it wouldnt be worth the 10-100k that they go for on auction.
More to the point, the cost of the gun irrelevant to the quality of the finish. Cost is, for the most part, subjective. While there are many people that would pay 1k for that gun, there are just as many that wouldn't. Judging the finish after you (not specifically, but in a general way) decided that it was worth 1k to you is like closing the barn door after the horses are already out.
SwampWolf
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Call me cheap or poor but last I checked, a grand is still worth one thousand dollars. 
jhb
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it would bug me....more so if the gun had issues tied to that trigger, but if it worked i'd get over it, but that's me and you are you.
i own a 9mm emp, and while mine choked on a few rounds early on, it's been perfect since......one thing that bothered me with mine was the lack of attention to detailing at the factory. the inside of the slide had lots of burrs and minor machine marks...it bothered me so much i actually cursed myself that i didn't buy a kimber version........actually in hinsdsight i am super glad i didn't buy a kimber version....but i remember i was mad as i cleaned it up, but once i shot it a bunch and it broke in and worked flawlessly..... i got over it and it's one of my favorites.
attention to details and cosmetics is a very personal thing, everyone is very different.... and if sa wants you as a happy customer, they'll take care of it for you.
i own a 9mm emp, and while mine choked on a few rounds early on, it's been perfect since......one thing that bothered me with mine was the lack of attention to detailing at the factory. the inside of the slide had lots of burrs and minor machine marks...it bothered me so much i actually cursed myself that i didn't buy a kimber version........actually in hinsdsight i am super glad i didn't buy a kimber version....but i remember i was mad as i cleaned it up, but once i shot it a bunch and it broke in and worked flawlessly..... i got over it and it's one of my favorites.
attention to details and cosmetics is a very personal thing, everyone is very different.... and if sa wants you as a happy customer, they'll take care of it for you.
Glad the issues were resolved.
Walking Dead
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Completely unacceptable! Whoever did that to that gun should be pistol whipped but not by that gun it probably won't work right with those scratches on it.
BullfrogKen
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I don't see anything wrong with that gun.
It won't stay blemish-free after you use it. The dings on the barrel are small handling marks. The trigger - some triggers need minor fitting when they're installed, and that's a legacy of fitting. Some don't. Some get that after use.
I'd not even notice those. They'll blend into other nicks and dings the gun will get after you use it.
It won't stay blemish-free after you use it. The dings on the barrel are small handling marks. The trigger - some triggers need minor fitting when they're installed, and that's a legacy of fitting. Some don't. Some get that after use.
I'd not even notice those. They'll blend into other nicks and dings the gun will get after you use it.
m1k3dasa1nt
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wow. G27 I agree...folks just flat mean. Fact of the matter is regardless of whether it's affecting functionality you are not pleased. You as a consumer have the right to have your expectations met within reason. $1K is a lot of money. Send it back. Worst case they'll send you an apology with much of the same info our members already stated. On the other hand...they may make it right with you. In either case I think you'll feel better having addressed it rather than letting it fester in your brain.
I'm sorry if thos sounds mean, but honestly, all BS aside, this is kind of a really, really lame thread... If you had bothered to put enough rounds through that gun to even find out if it's reliable enough for carry or god forbid holstered the thing it'd show a lot more wear and "blemishes" than that.
This is a firearms forum right? Or is this a forum for the kind of weirdos who buy Star Wars crap and then are afraid to take it out of it's packaging and let their kids play with it for fear of ruining it's "collector value"?
Seriously, shoot the freakin' gun, clean it once in a while, it's a tool, not artwork, think hammer not Picasso.
Ridiculous.
This is a firearms forum right? Or is this a forum for the kind of weirdos who buy Star Wars crap and then are afraid to take it out of it's packaging and let their kids play with it for fear of ruining it's "collector value"?
Seriously, shoot the freakin' gun, clean it once in a while, it's a tool, not artwork, think hammer not Picasso.
Ridiculous.
bluetopper
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The frame looks like it's been spray painted with high temp engine paint.
I like the beauty of the metal to be seen. It's either blued or stainless for me.
I like the beauty of the metal to be seen. It's either blued or stainless for me.
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