Would you trust your life to a .38 special?

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I don't own a 38 special. My 357 will shoot them, BUT not very accurately. (I tried a box of 130gr fmj through my Magnum Carry and couldn't hit spit.) 158gr LEAD reloads (light for 357, +p for 38 special) worked just fine.

I recall my dad trying +p hydrashocks 38's in his .357 SP101 and it shot just fine.
 
I would trust my life to...

Not being where trouble is...

Evading or eluding trouble if it happens to be occuring...

Or...

'Shot Placement', regardless of Cartridge or Arm.
 
Herohog.. Nice model 10 and one of the best 38 sp..

ever made. I like them. Nice grips. Where did you get them?
 
No way! The .38 Special hasn't stopped anyone since the .357 Magnum arrived on the scene.

http://thinkinggunfighter.blogspot.com/2009/09/why-38-is-still-great-advocating-38.html
Really that article made me less sure I would cary a .38spl again.

The .38 has come a long way, and is still perhaps the ultimate in "average"...

The ultimate in average is not what I want to hear. This is a tool for protecting the life of not just me but my family. Average is not what I want.

I would trust my life to it if that is what I had on hand. You can kill with any caliber of hand gun. The question is, how confident are you in your ability to place the shot when it counts? If you feel more confident putting a .38spl+P on target than a 9mm or a .40S&W then it is the best gun to trust.

I have owned a .38spl and I believe that it would stop a bad guy in most situations. I just wouldn't count on using less than three shots.
 
Absolutely would and do trust the .38 Special. A good DA revolver like the K-frame Smiths is very "shootable." With good hits a .38 and good ammo should be more than enough. I firmly believe that the shooter and his/her willingness and skill is far more important than caliber.

With lousy shooting, no handgun is capable of a reliable physical stop. I've seen my share of shooters at ranges with very nice, expensive semiautos that would have been much better served by a used .38, a case of ammo and some good instruction.

On the basis of reading plenty of news accounts, I've come to the conclusion that a sizeable percent of stops are psychological. Defender fires a shot, and the BG is off and running, whether it hit or not. I wouldn't rely on this, however.

All my best,
Dirty Bob
 
Oyeboten makes some very good points. That said, for the time being my rest is assured with Hydra-Shok .38+P on my nightstand, because it's all I have.
 
I'd have to answer this "Yes, but ... "


My 642 is one of my favorite carry guns, and is on me quite often and I feel quite adequately armed with it in my pocket (I load it with 135gr gold dots). I like the reliability of the revolver, which isn't always something you can take for granted with the pocket autos. I also have a ruger LCP which I carry when I'm wearing pants with small pockets, and I don't have nearly the same confidence in the 380ACP as I do the 38 +P So, YES, I do feel adequately armed with .38.


Now the "but" part - if given the choice, and when having the option of carrying something bigger (or for home defense, where size/weight isn't a concern), I do prefer to have a more potent round and more capacity. While my 642 in the pocket is quite comforting, it's not quite as comforting as my glock 26 (which I only carry IWB, it's too big for me to pocket carry). Similarly, I load my 686P with .357mag. My home defense pistol is a Glock 31 (.357 sig) by the nightstand, though for HD my preference would be to reach for the shotgun or carbine.

So, yes, I do think the .38 is adequate. But given the choice (if size/weight are not an issue and if you are not particularly recoil sensitive), I do prefer a slightly more potent round and I also do prefer an auto over a revolver in full size service pistol size. Though as already mentioned, when we're talking pocket size I prefer a revolver over an auto.

That said, I think a 686P loaded with .38 +P would be an adequate home defense choice, especially if you are recoil sensitive. .38 out of the 686p is very managable.
 
Yes. I'm old enough that .357 Magnums were all large-frame guns in my youth. Great for holster carry as a cop, but hardly something you'd carry in your pocket.

As far as "bigger, or more powerful," goes, I'll use a shotgun, thank you.
 
Somehow, from a fairly early age, I grasped that for a Revolver bullet to actually 'stop' someone instantly, or reliably, it needed to strike the Spine or Brain.

If to stop someone fairly quickly, it needed to perforate the Heart or Aorta or a Major interior Thoractic Artery.

I had heard parts of conversations occuring among WWI and also WWII vets, how a man could be shot, and not even notice, or, he felt merely something chilly or odd or heavy, and his mind was focused elsewhere anyway...or, he noticed wetness or frank Blood, or that his Leg or Arm or Eye was not working right while trying to run or walk...things like that.

So in my imagination, I would elect to shoot for the Spine as my actual Target, regardless of the angle or attitude an assailant's posture may present.

Or, if having a full frontal position, then, the option of aiming for the area of the Heart...knowing there may be a delay of even a minute or more before the effect would be complete.

Or, if having a full frontal view, the option of aiming for the Eye Socket, which would likely succeed in an instantaneous cessation of activity, if the Bullet finds it's mark.


Of course some people can and will drop and remain still and passive, or unconscious, even if hit in a non lethal area.

One can never know what to expect...and, in exigency, one's shot placement may not be ideal.


Bullets can and do deflect from Skulls if not striking at a proper tangent.

The Brain only occupies the upper areas of the Skull anyway, and, a shot hitting/entering too low of the mid line, will not likely cause an instantaneous 'stop'.

My primary interest, has always been to 'scent the winds', and, however subtle, elect choices, routes or destination sequences or options, for not being anywhere where trouble may arrive or await.

We all have a kind of 'Radar'...and it is much more elegent to rely on, than to ignore it, or to rationalize one's self out of respecting it, and to then find one's self countinancing messy and unpleasant situations.

My own 'Radar' is not especially keen, but, I have found out to my satisfaction, how ignoring it will reliably inspire regret, and or present challenges I would rather not have had to manage.

If you carry a .38 Special Revolver, consider to also carry a charged Speed Loader.

I have muddled through a few bad situations where four or five or six seeming Gang Members were getting a little aggressive in a 7-11, and, this established for me, the sobering prospect of a J-frame or even a K Frame, having only so-many-rounds to offer.

Being able to reload promptly, could be valuable.
 
As a deer hunter, I've seen some amazing things happen when shooting both high powered rifles, slug guns AND my trusty S&W Model 29 revolver (I mainly handgun hunt). I've come to the conclusion that NO rifle, shotgun or handgun will instantly drop a deer in its tracks every time. Sometimes they take off . . . literally a "dead deer running." Many a novice hunter has sat there with a slack jaw, forgetting to rack another round as the deer disappears . . . because he "thought" he'd shot it perfectly. That kind of thinking in a street fight could get one killed.

That said, I wish that all owners of handguns would hit the field and learn what really happens. Unlike paper targets, deer AND scared/scary humans are not gonna stand still while you take careful aim to shoot 'em so you'd better get used to perfecting your marksmanship on MOVING targets.

I haven't lost a deer in ten years . . . and I've mainly handgun hunted during this time. I did have to track a few but each was a clean kill. Twice I've had the good fortune of harvesting three in mere seconds on different occasions . . . one in a clear cut (dropping the last doe broadside on a full run @ 65 yards, she never moved); and the second time in a hardwood bottom.

However, last season I took a nice eight point with a heart shot from my 6" barreled Model 29 at a mere 21 yards . . . and he kicked up and bolted. No blood trail at all, but I KNEW the shot was perfect. I found him 185 yards away after some really hard tracking. How does a deer run that far with no blood pumping???

I say these things to make a point that handguns require practice and lots of it in order to put your round properly on target . . . and shot placement is virtually everything. It also helps to sign up and shoot as many handgun competitions as one can . . . and learn how to shoot well enough to win.

Hunting/Practice/Competitions will assist one in becoming proficient and confident with a handgun. Once one is proficient and confident, a .38 Special becomes a great self defense weapon with gentle recoil characteristics and fine accuracy that gets you right back on target quickly if more than one shot is needed to bring down the target.

Even the snubbies can be very accurate. Here's the very first target I shot with my then new (to me) 1964 Model 36 I got almost three years ago. The target was shot at ten yards, standing/unsupported at a 1" black square. The little Smith shot dead on the point of aim. It is a keeper! Then again, I absolutely LOVE those vintage S&W revolvers!!!

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Every time I grap one or two of my revolvers to carry or threeof them it would be one,Ruger GP100,Ruger SP1012.25 inch barrel .357,or my 10-9 S&W K-frame M10 2 inch barrel. or the fourth is my new at cost,Ruger LCR in .357 mag. caliber. rich642z
 
Yes. If it is a JHP .38 spl +P loaded fairly hot.

Or better yet a .357 magnum.

The .38 spl (standard/NON + p) to me is the minimum, and I am not a fan of relying on any minimum. At the very least, I want as hot of a .38 spl +P as possible.
 
Really that article made me less sure I would cary a .38spl again.



The ultimate in average is not what I want to hear. This is a tool for protecting the life of not just me but my family. Average is not what I want.

I would trust my life to it if that is what I had on hand. You can kill with any caliber of hand gun. The question is, how confident are you in your ability to place the shot when it counts? If you feel more confident putting a .38spl+P on target than a 9mm or a .40S&W then it is the best gun to trust.

I have owned a .38spl and I believe that it would stop a bad guy in most situations. I just wouldn't count on using less than three shots.
All defensive style handguns are "average".

We carry a handgun for protection because a rifle or shotgun is too hard. Its not because they are terribly effective at stopping a threat. handguns wound through tissue destruction only. You dont get the cool temporary cavitation effects at 1000 FPS like you do a 2500+ FPS.

A .38 Special is an old, slow, heavy .35 caliber round. Many today prefer lighter for caliber faster bullets, but that doesnt mean the .38 Special doesnt work well. Loaded with a good bullet, it will still put a third of an inch wide hole through your chest. Thats not going to be very convienent.
 
Life is making educated choices and prudent compromises.

Deep concealment

Safety

Reliability

Shootability

"Stop"ability

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One size doesn't fit all.
 
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