Wringin' Out the 'Rinco

[19112XS]

Characteristically Tuner is being entirely too modest.

That Semi-Tunerized CoNoBroIncoDekiAck shoots REAL good.

Some posters to the Boards are internet gunsmiths only. They can resolve any problem when cloaked by the anonymity and distance that the internet provides. Their solutions can prove unfounded, expensive to correct and just plain dangerous. As those Forum members that have been to 1911 Mecca can testify, Tuner really does know this stuff. He “Tuned†a Norinco exhibiting a “gunsmith†trigger job and intermittent hammer follow into a dependable sidearm using a box of small parts and a great deal of patience. This relatively inexpensive piece now has better internals and is more reliable than most new 1911’s being sold today.

Have I mentioned it shoots REAL good?

 

[quantico]

The norinco project has begun. I ordered three loads of parts so far. Flat wilson MSH / McCormick hammer & sear / wilson trigger / new pins / new barrel link / new wilson extractor & slide stop & grip safety & thumb safety . I still need a couple springs .

I have taken the file to the pistol and started breaking all the sharp edges and some 600 grit to remove sharp edges in the trigger guard area. I opened up the mag well at about 30 degrees on the sides to give myself a tad more wiggle room to insert mags quickly. I also polished the breech face and feed ramp . So far so good, I also filed off the made in china stamping on the front left part of the dust-cover. I have never attempted metal work, so this is interesting. The metal is darn hard , and I am going slowly with no desire to dremel anything except for a bit of polishing.

Does anyone have a way to convey how perfect I need to leave the metal surface so that I don't see file marks or imperfections ??? I will be sanding by hand with the 600 grit until spring if I can't figure out where to stop. I have taken a bit of metal off around the barrel bushing as I like the meltdown look. I can't tell how it would look finished. Boy that metal is hard !!!!!

 

[1911Tuner]

The Project

Howdy quantico, and welcome aboard! Good to see ya.

Check your PMs

 

[mister2]

Any updates?

TIA,
MR2

 

[1911Tuner]

Updates?

Howdy mister2,

Not yet...Too many corn fritters on my plate the last few weeks to allow indulgin' myself in burnin' copious amounts of powder for the sake of fun.
I should be back at it soon after the first of the year, with halfway cooperative weather patterns and temperatures. I've got a 35 degree rule.
If it's below 35 degrees...I stay home and drink copious amounts of coffee.

 

[mister2]

'Hey' back atcha, 'Rinco Star

Kinda dates me, downnit?

BTW are you still compiling Norinco serial numbers? It'd be interesting to see if certain 'issues' correlated to SNs.

Perusing your (N-related) posts has been my fireside read this season and once again, I salute your contribution. The Best of the Season to you!

MR2

 

[webley455]

To each his or her own. I have a hard time buying from communists.

 

[macavada]

Except that you can't get them from the communists anymore.

Do you shop at walmart? If so, you're buying all kinds of stuff from communists, and with the phase out of tariffs, you'll be buying a whole lot more.

 

[webley455]

Do not equate my statement with the naive view that one can fight the global economy. Of course many things purchased are from Communist China,either in whole or in part. Given an option I prefer not to buy items made or sold by communists.

 

[Shootcraps]

Macavada is right. You can't buy them from communists anymore. Only Americans. And that helps our economy.

 

[1911Tuner]

Topic

Gentlemen, please! The topic is a torture test on one pistol. Love'em or hate'em, there are a buttload of Norincos in the country, and they sold
as fast as they could be imported while it lasted. The thread is for Norinco owners to see the results of that test. Any issues with doing business with China is probably a better topic for the Legal and Political section of THR.

To buy or not to buy from communists is pretty academic in the face of filling up your car every week when roughly 50% of our oil comes from sources who...if the full truth was known... a majority would prefer that we choke to death on our Christmas turkey. In that light...what is buying a gun that has likely changed hands several times since the Red Chinese made their pittance off the sale compared to buying gasoline, diesel, and fuel oil that is measured in the billions of gallons/dollars annually? Politically, the Chinese may well be our enemies...but at least they're not actively engaged in blowing us up at the present time.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled flame war...and I thank you for your support.

 

[webley455]

Sorry Tuner. Merry Christmas. It is a good report.

 

[1911Tuner]

re:

Hey Webley!

No harm, no foul....Just didn't want this one to head off into the stratosphere. Politics tends to be a touchy subject, and I just wanted to put out the fire before it got started.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!

 

[macavada]

Way to right the ship. Sorry for taking it off track.

 

[Dave Sample]

"Clews"

 

[1911Tuner]

Clews

Cap'n...Either you've had a run of bad luck, or I've had a good'un. I ain't seen but one Nork that rough...

Here's a "clew" for ya...Your barrel is dead meat.

 

[Cthulhu]

One of my Norinco's had a bbl that looked exactly the same way. Textbook peening of the locking lugs. I didn't notice any problem in function or accuracy, but peening only gets worse with time. Slide lugs were still sharp and the trigger was relatively good. I installed a Kart EZ-Fit barrel and fitted bushing. This Norinco puts them all in one hole with 100% function (after fitting, of course). Never had a malfunction with any of my Norinco's, Stock or otherwise.

As for tool marks, some are just as bad as Mr. Sample's, if not more ugly inside.

 

[Bill Z]

The quantity and quality of the NC Norc's must have come from a special plant in China. I have only seen one around here in Augusta, never broke it down or played with it though and am not currently seeing any at the range and I host 18+ matches a year and attend other matches there throughout the year. I also had a conversation with a pistolsmith that does machine work for many 'smiths and has for years that, at his request wish's to remain anonymous so he doesn't get in this mess, has only seen about a dozen.

Now, Tuner certainly is lucky to have seen over 60 of them and in perfect or near perfect condition, I wish I would be so lucky, to have even seen 60 of them in one community and be able to get people crawling out of the woodwork to show me theirs, I'd really make a killing in this business then.

Cthulhu, I'm sorry that you got one of the 'average' norks, but am glad that you found a great way to fix it with a Kart barrel. Would you care to share exatcly what the installation guide that came with the Kart barrel had to say about the headspacing or using the Go/No-go guages? Is it on Karts reccomemded tool list?

Anyone install a Brown or a Wilson 'drop-in' barrel around here? What exactly did the instructions call for in the go-no go guages? Just curious, I'm only familure with the gunsmith fit barrels and the Kart line-up, but I would think these would wring out a 'rinco too. (BTW, Ed Browns benchrest manual only suggests them when you are reaming a chamber, not when you are fitting a barrel)

I cannot wait until the end of January when I get to the shot show, I really want to get Bill Wilson's personal insight on these Rinco's and how many he has seen and done and what his experiences were with them, after all, he made his bones on them, didn't he?

 

[1911Tuner]

NC Norks

The quantity and quality of the NC Norc's must have come from a special plant in China.
************

Maybe....Maybe I've just been lucky. Still got feelers out on 4 more.
Never seen one with the barrel problems like the last two here, but there's one on the way that just might.
__________________


Anyone install a Brown or a Wilson 'drop-in' barrel around here? What exactly did the instructions call for in the go-no go guages?
*****************

The term "Drop-In" applies...and it still makes good sense to check the headspace with gauges with any barrel change...no matter what the
package says. I've seen a few fail, and seen several that were borderline.
Most factory barrels are below mimimum, which probably accounts in part for the feeding/rtb problems of late.

I'll stand on what I said, Bill...all due respect. To wit: Ideal headspace can't be verified by dropping an odd cartridge into a chamber and visually checking to see that it's flush with the barrel hood. It requires gauges and it requires the slide, the same as installing a barrel on a bolt-rifle requires gauges and the bolt, because headspace is determined by the distance between boltface and chamber shoulder. That's why the gauges are part of every armorer's equipment...so that they can determine whether or not the gun is deemed serviceable and safe.

Yes...I've seen a few over 5 dozen Norincos since I've had the feelers out.
I'd like to have a look at a few dozen more. I'm suspicious that the timing problems and damaged barrels noted here are part of a bad lot...and I'll keep looking until I can get more data or toss it off as luck of the draw, just like the odd Colt, Springfield, or Kimber. Why do I do this? So that just in case I can nail it down to a serial number range, I can warn potential buyers what to be on the lookout for.

Now...The topic here is a range report on one pistol. Stick to the topic, please. If you have a question on the results, ask. If you want to argue
about headspacing, there's a sticky on the top of the gunsmithing board.

 

[tex_n_cal]

Hmmm...how much space do they have inside the mag well?

Maybe I should try to find a Norinco to install my Chinese 7.62x25 barrel and magazine. I'm slightly loath to whittle on a Colt to make it fit

 

[Shootcraps]

I had to put a long trigger on my 'Rinco. The short trigger just wasn't cuttin' it. Didn't realize it would need fitting. Got out the sandpaper and trimmed the top and bottom. Then had to slim the sides down just a tad. Put it in and ran the magazine through the bow and it wasn't quite right so I tweaked the sides of the bow just a hair. With these changes, the trigger just falls into place in the channel nice and smooth.

While I was at it, I found a pair of pearl grips at the gun show. They look nice!!!

 

[Brian D.]

Shootcraps, are you trying to set yourself a Chinese pimp gun? "Bad, bad, ReLoy Bloun, baddest man.."

Btw absolutely no offense towards anyone Chinese, or whatever else,intended.

 

[Shootcraps]

Shootcraps, are you trying to set yourself a Chinese pimp gun? "Bad, bad, ReLoy Bloun, baddest man.."

You light, white boy. Life's too short. Everybody should have at least one shiny gun. I'm taking it to the range shortly to try out the new trigger.

 

[cottontoptexan]

Need a Sack of Norinco Parts

Winter is cold here in Washington State and sometimes frustrations just take over. Could someone send me a sack of Norinco parts so i can do the hammer test on them on an anvil or something.
Question: Should i use a Chinese hammer or an American hammer????

Thought a little humor would be nice. It is a trend that these guns seem to be made of very strong material. Maybe ripped out old railroad tracks. Some reloading presses are made of re smeltered rr iron. Curt in Wash

 

[Shootcraps]

50 more rounds through it and the trigger feels nice. A little heavy, but it breaks nice and clean. You know, buying a case of ammo isn't thrifty cause it makes you want to shoot more.

Cottontoptexan, you can't hurt these parts with ANY kind of hammer. They are super-duper steel and we love 'em.

When is the next gun show? I need another Norinco cause I got two hands.