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XCR Modular Weapon System - I want one!

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by C-Note, Sep 14, 2004.

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  1. C-Note

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  2. Zak Smith

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    Is this their SCAR entry?
     
  3. C-Note

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    From their website:

    The XCR(TM) Modular Weapon System was designed specifically for the U.S. Special Forces. It consists of an Upper an Lower receiver. The lower receiver is the serialized part containing the fire-control components. The upper receiver has an integral rail system and quick change barrel mechanism. The XCR(TM) is almost completely new. While the magazine well, trigger, and pistol grip are reminiscent of the AR15/M16 rifle, the components are completely different internally.

    The XCR(TM) has a completely new bolt system which is more durable than the Stoner AR15/M16 bolt. It was specifically made to fire 5.56x45mm (.223) and the New 6.8 Remington Cartridge. It is available now in both these calibers. A .308 version will be available later this year. Pictures of more configurations will be posted on this website in the next few days. The following is a list of some of the important features of the .

    FEATURES:

    The XCR(TM) is designed to be the finest assault rifle available anywhere. The XCR(TM) is a multi-caliber, piston-driven, gas operated rifle with a proprietary bolt which provides unmatched reliability and durability.

    Usually, weight is sacrificed for durability. However, the XCR(TM) is both durable and light at just under 7.0 lbs. empty.

    The rifle has 1913 spec. rails machined right into the upper receiver at the 3, 6, 9, and 12 O’clock positions. These rails are machined parallel to the bore for easy mounting of sights, lights, grenade launchers, and other accessories.

    The sights (optional) are in the right position for quick target acquisition and can folded against the receiver when not in use.

    Furthermore, the XCR(TM) has ambidextrous controls which are very intuitive. The magazine release, bolt hold open, and selector controls can be easily controlled by either hand. The charging handle is on the left side of the rifle and contains a forward assist mechanism.

    Caliber changes only require the replacement of the barrel, bolt, and magazine. The change can be made in less than 5 minutes with little loss of zero. Available in 5.56 NATO and 6.8 calibers in barrel lengths of 11.5â€, 14.5â€, 16.2, 18.5†, and 20â€. The rifle uses standard M16 magazines for .223 and 6.8 magazines for 6.8.

    Of course the folding stock (locks in and out) and a flash hider are standard equipment.

    The XCR(TM) is simply the finest assault rifle available today. It is available in select-fire for military and law enforcement and in semi-auto only for civilian collectors. To order yours, contact us immediately. More pictures and information to be posted the week of Sept. 14, 2004.

    Marketed by Robinson Armament Co.
    PO Box 16776, Salt Lake City, UT 84116
    Tel: 801-355-0402; Email: zdf@robarm.com

    Specifications Subject to Change without Notice.

    Copyright 2004, Robinson Armament Co., All Rights Reserved
     
  4. Correia

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    Ahh...

    Looks like I can finally talk about this baby. :)

    I've been one of the beta-testers.

    It's simply an awesome weapon.

    The design is very straight forward. Very light. Recoil is mild. Gas system blows the doors off of the AR. Barrel is removeable with a wrench, allowing you to change calibers in a few minutes.

    The one that I played with was easy to shoot, and we got some remarkably good groups considering that the barrel on that speciman had gone through about a zillion rounds on full auto.

    It is ambidextrous. The safety is cut down on one side so that it does not irritate your hand like an ambi AR safety.

    The receiver design is excellent. It is a solid chunk of aluminium. The bolt and carrier are probably the neatest semi-auto design I have ever seen.
     
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    They should have figured out a way to make the mag well a part of the upper. Oh well, still looks quite nice.

    Uhhhh, BTW... where do you sign up for beta-testing guns? :D
     
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    What i wouldent give to get my hands on one of thouse.:rolleyes:
     
  7. Zak Smith

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    Why is the stock stock comb to iron sight distance so high? That dimension looks similar to the M96 or a FAL. One of my big complaints about the M96 was that when you mount a combat optic such as a ACOG, the sight axis is now way higher than is ergonomically feasible based on the stock design.

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    Wasr, negative on that. It is caliber changeable. You can't swap out the mag well if it is attached to the reciever.

    Zak, I tried it with both the flip up irons (same height as AR) and a Leatherwood knockoff scope in that height mount, and it worked fine either way. I did not however try it with an ACOG. With a tube style dot like an Aimpoint it seems just right. I have not tried it with something taller like an EoTech.

    This is one of the things that I discussed with Alex. When I first handled it I thought it was going to be too tall, but after shooting it, I believe that it is a pretty decent height. Doing a little run and gun style stuff and some improvised hoser style stuff it handled very well and was comfortable to shoot.

    The stock is like an ACE folder. I would imagine that if you wanted to you could swap out the top bar of the stock for something higher, like their padded version.
     
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    The irons will be higher relative to the stock than on an AR15? It's using AR15 flip-up sights - GG&G rear and Troy front, but the distance from stock comb to the top of the flat-top looks more like 1.5" - 1.75". On the AR, that dimension is under 1".

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    I can't say on price. I'm not privy to that.

    wasr, how did I get to beta test? Beats me. :) I'm just a local 3gun nut. Got to know the employees because I've been using one of their Veprs for the last year in matches. The guys are Robarm are a really nice bunch though, and I say that in all honesty.
     
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    any idea on accuracy?

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    Hah, smooth move there Alex...insulting an Old-school TFL/THR'er.

    thats pretty funny.

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    Zak, it is a GG&G rear. (which I broke when I was playing with it by the way, and then we put on a Matech, I'm not a fan of the GG&G rear now) :) I don't think it is that much higher. I had no problem using it. But like I said, I did not try it with an ACOG. Keep in mind that the ACOG mount is specific to the AR, so it is going to be higher.

    Zak, I remember that thread. It was before I met Alex. I know George, and I know Alex. I'm friends with both of them. With that said however, both of them are really proud people. That is an old thread, and Robarms is still around and doing fine. I have never had anything but good experiences with them.

    atek, using a 14 inch, light weight barrel, with 5,000 rounds of full auto through it, at 100 yards from the bench using a Chinese Leatherwood knock off, I would put three rounds touching, and then have two others that would open the group up to a little over an inch. This was using PMC ammo. I repeated this several times, first few shots would be really close together, and then it would open up. I did not know if this was a function of the light barrel, or how hot I had it, or how hammered it was, but it was still very promising.

    Keep in mind that I am not by nature a bench rest kind of shooter. With patience and in the hands of a better rifleman than I you should be able to get some excellent accuracy. The barrel is fully floated. want to get the 18 inch for myself.
     
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    nice, now if only they could open up the bolt face and swap the barrel with one chambered for 6.5 grendel I'd be REALLY interested.

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    Done. The first version is swappable. I have spoken with them and they have done a 6.8 version. I have not seen or shot it yet.
     
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    Sort of. The ACOG was originally designed to mount on the carry handle, and the TA51 mount is the standard way to connect it to a rail. We've got a problem if the ergonomics suck when we use the most popular magnified combat optic in US Service.

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    Oops, you said 6.5. They did a 6.8. No 6.5 yet that I'm aware of.
     
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    lets hope the build quality of the shipping versions matches the beta test guns

    they had some issues with the M-96

    Mad Dog was an early advocate that went quite cold on the shipping m-96s
     
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    Zak, like I said, I have not used an ACOG with it so I can't tell you how that is going to be.

    I have however used an ACOG on an FAL, and I did not find that uncomfortable either. (DSA mount, L1a1 stock)

    Since the Robarm gun is modular I would thing that swapping the top of the stock would be a piece of cake if the ACOG is too high. I don't really see the conflict here. This is not a flat top AR, so why should it be criticised if a scope designed for an AR does not work? If this gun wins the SCAR contract then there will probably be an ACOG made for it if the demand is there. Optics stay the same, all they have to do is change the housing.
     
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    The root issue is not that the ACOG on an TA51 is "designed" for an AR15. A TA51 puts an ACOG sight axis about 1.4" above the rail -- just like iron sights. The XCR picture is using GG&G and Troy rail-mounted sights designed for an AR15, so they are also at that height.

    On an AR15, it is possible to get a good cheeck weld with the stock height vs. the rail height, and then the 1.4" above that. On this rifle, the stock is way lower relative to the rail, but they are still using the soght-axis-above-rail dimensions of an AR15.

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    Zak, the irons in that picture were just what got slapped on for use. I don't believe that those are the final iron sights that are going to be shipped with the gun. They set out to design the weapon first, the iron sighting system comes after.

    I have not seen the final iron sights. But to the best of my (very limited) knowledge, those were just sights that are used on the prototype and not the sights that are going to ship with it.

    With that said, I still got a good cheek weld with the GG&G. (before I broke it).

    There is more of a gap between the stock and the base of the rail on this gun. That is true. this gun has an operating rod like an AK as opposed to just the gas key. It sits higher than the bolt carrier of an AR. You cannot see in this picture, but if you flip the gun to the other side, you strip the gun by pushing in a button which actually holds the base of the recoil spring. You push that in the and gun falls open like an FAL. If I recall correctly that button is in that space.

    When you strip it, it is different than the M96 by quite a bit. The op rod is connected to the carrier, not seperate. The bolt, which has a few great big lugs, instead of the AR style bolt, does not have a cam slot hole. Instead it is a solid chunk of metal that sticks out.
     
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    Any chance on connecting a decent telestock (e.g. a Magpul)?

    -z
     
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    Zak, I know of such a thing, but can't speak about it. Sorry.
     
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