XD - "Great gun, but I wouldn't trust my life to it."

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Mr. James

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Just a tale of deliverance from near-folly!

I have recently been giving serious consideration to buying a Springfield Armory XD-45. Or, at least I was, until our own rellascout enticed me away with a purdy little CZ75B Compact and, like a sailor on liberty, I went slinking after it! (Great gun from a true gentleman, by the way.)

But regarding the sub-standard XD line, the scales really fell from my eyes this weekend when I was visiting a local gun shop. I was just nosing about, kicking tires, seeing as rellascout had recently relieved me of my spending money.

So, a fellow next to me asks to see the XD-9 in the case and asks the salesman about it. Not unreasonably, the salesman inquires after the intended uses of the weapon - range gun? personal protection? home defense? I didn't quite catch the customer's response, but did hear this thumbnail summary offered in reply:

"Great gun, shoots great, accurate, but I wouldn't trust my life to it."

"Well, why not," asks the customer.

Noticing me eavesdropping, he embraces me into the conversation with a knowing smile and says, "Oh, it's a fun gun - buy it, shoot the hell out of it, but I wouldn't use it for concealed carry - it isn't an HK, Sig or Glock." The customer lowers the slide gently, hefts the pistol, and raises it, aiming at the side wall. "You know," continues our salesman, "it isn't even built by Springfield. Y'know where they make these?"

"It's built in Croatia," I offer.

"That's right. Best little tack-driver eight-year-old Croatians can build."

At that, the customer, obviously horrified at the prospect of subsidizing human rights abuses by purchasing the fruits of exploitative child labor, passes the XD back to the salesman, who eases it back into battery and returns it to the display case. With his "Amnesty International" bona fides intact, our customer moves on to look at the Glocks in the next case.

Okay, XD owners - child sweatshop factor aside, would you trust your (or your loved ones') lives to these cheeesy little Croatian pretenders? :neener:
 
Just because a firearm is made in Eastern Europe, that doesn't automatically make it garbage. Just look at CZ. And child labor is about as common in the Balkans as it is here in the US. So, I would say the gunshop owner is totally off base.

Having said that, I agree that the XD line is not particularly impressive. If I were in the market for a dishwasher safe pistol, I would surely choose a Steyr M-A1, Glock, or H&K over an XD. I don't quite understand why everyone is so crazy about them. I figure it's just the "flavor of the month" right now.
 
No, I just think the XD isn't that "exposed" that much yet. I think once it has proved itself over a longer period of time it will be more of a " reliable excepted weapon"

I own two, never had a hicup. I have researched exclusivly and have not found anything horible on the XD.

Like I said, I just think its a matter of time before its excepted, and there will always be personal preference as well, so be it..
 
What kind of nonsense is this? The XD line of pistols has been shown to be extremely reliable and tough. A glock blows up...yet its still the greatest thing since the double-whopper. Whats the deal here, the XD is popular becuase it is a good weapon. Glock people irritate me because glocks are good, but there is absolutely nothing amazing about them. The glock 30 has problems, the glock in 40 cal has problems, the sights are plastic etc. etc.
The XD line is very nice, not perfect, no line is, but peoples' ignorance can be annoying. :cuss: :cuss:
 
Some buddies and I went to the range Monday night. Between us we had the following which we all took turns shooting:

XD40 Service
XD9 Service
Sig 228
Glock 19
FN High Power 9mm
CZ 75B
CZ 75 Compact
Kahr P9
A an ugly Steyr M thingy with nasty trianglar sights

Everyone agreed that the most accurate one of the bunch was my XD40. It shoots exactly where it's aimed. At 25 yards it was the only one that I could reliably keep on a 10in paper plate shooting freehanded.

As for reliability, I've put several thousand rounds thru it over the last two years without a single failure (of course, that's under range conditions and not real world conditions). I usually go at least 500 rounds between cleanings and it always go bang when I pull the trigger.
 
I had an XD9 bi-tone. I liked it except for being unable to change the grip in any meaningful way to increase the "length of pull" for my long fingers. I am now only into "adjustable grip" plastic pistols when I am into them at all.

Anyways, I trusted my life to that Croat blaster. The most amusing thing for me about the alleged superiority of Austrian CAD/CAM and polymer molding over Croatian CAD/CAM and polymer molding, is that the two respective factories are just about 100 miles from one another as the crow flies. Going from Austria to Croatia is hardly a trip from the pinnacle of technology into a Third World backwater.

In fact, it is the Croatians who have had far more recent cause to actually use their creations in armed conflict. I'd say on the "they built it because they needed it and it got the job done" front, the HS/XD wins that point hands down.

Now if they'd just give it some swappable backstraps I'd be back under their sway. As things stand, a Beretta PX4 is my next dark star.
 
Not only have I trusted my life to my XD45, I still do. It is my nightstand gun at home, and if Wisconsin ever comes out of the dark ages and approves concealed carry, it will probably become my carry weapon as well. It is well made, more accurate than any Glock I've ever shot, points more naturally, and fits my hand better. Thank God it's not a Glock!
 
It would be pretty interesting to see if the aforementioned gun store clerk could find Croatia on a map... When I was getting ready to go to Bosnia for a year... I lost count of how many people asked me how I could go spend a year in the desert... :rolleyes:

DanO
 
dcloudy,

Exactly. I s'pose he thinks the capital of Croatia is Mogadishu, and some warlord is using kiddies to build guns out of the HS/XD "plant" in someone's corrugated tin shed.

And, lessee, the gun is accurate, a "tack-driver," reliable as all get-out, and a pleasure to shoot. And the reason I wouldn't trust this weapon is . . . ?

My father, God rest him, would gently refer to our gun store clerk as "a horse's patoot."

But all jocularity aside, the XD seems like an outstanding value, at least to read the feedback on the line from posters here and at TFL. I cannot recall any horror stories off the top of my head, and may well purchase one once my piggy bank fills back up. Oh, that is if I can overcome my aversion to "dishwasher safe firearms." :p
 
I didn't expect to see so many ignorant posts on this site.
The XD will shoot just as well as your Glock. They are extremely high quality guns. Enough with the fairy tales.
 
Hmm, as an employee of a gunshop, I can't recall anyone saying anything bad about the XD. I think this guy might be blowing smoke, it all depends on if he is commisioned or not. I personally think it is a very nice weapon, sadly I haven't had the opportunity to shoot one yet, but I may get a XD .45 when they hit the approved list in MD just to try it out. So far I like them.

The guy behind the counter is a boner.:cuss:

8 year old labor?!? C'mon.:barf:
 
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Just a tale of deliverance from near-folly!

<insert Hillary Clinton joke here?>

I have recently been giving serious consideration to buying a Springfield Armory XD-45. Or, at least I was, until our own rellascout enticed me away with a purdy little CZ75B Compact and, like a sailor on liberty, I went slinking after it! (Great gun from a true gentleman, by the way.)

That's kind of a strange comparison to make. I had a CZ 75 and while it's probably my second choice in a self loading pistol, I wouldn't put it and the XD45 in the same class or category. They're quite different.

To be clear one is as good as the other, they're just different. It's like comparing a Colt Single Action Army to a Ruger Super Redhawk, both in different chamberings to boot.

Perhaps that is why I don't understand the rest of the post either as the I try to think with logic.

But regarding the sub-standard XD line,

A statement dangerously close to a glittering generality. The careful reader asks himself, sub standard by what set of standards? Is there a firearm rating board out there somewhere endowed with the authority to set such standards?

the scales really fell from my eyes this weekend when I was visiting a local gun shop. I was just nosing about, kicking tires, seeing as rellascout had recently relieved me of my spending money.

So, a fellow next to me asks to see the XD-9 in the case and asks the salesman about it. Not unreasonably, the salesman inquires after the intended uses of the weapon - range gun? personal protection? home defense? I didn't quite catch the customer's response, but did hear this thumbnail summary offered in reply:

"Great gun, shoots great, accurate, but I wouldn't trust my life to it."

And as we all know from this forum, gun store clerks are all highly qualified firearms experts whose very opinions us mere mortals should clamor to and take to heart as sacred truths.

When a gun store employee tells you something, it's ALWAYS RIGHT! And don't you forget it!

"Well, why not," asks the customer.

Noticing me eavesdropping, he embraces me into the conversation with a knowing smile and says, "Oh, it's a fun gun - buy it, shoot the hell out of it, but I wouldn't use it for concealed carry - it isn't an HK, Sig or Glock."

Thank God. If it were any of those things, someone would be committing some kind of patent infringement, surely.

The customer lowers the slide gently, hefts the pistol, and raises it, aiming at the side wall. "You know," continues our salesman, "it isn't even built by Springfield. Y'know where they make these?"

"It's built in Croatia," I offer.

That's right, it's not built in America like HK, Sig or Glock. Yessir those are some good quality American guns. Damn unpatriotic XD buyers.

"That's right. Best little tack-driver eight-year-old Croatians can build."

I know it, my eight year old cousin when he's not eating his boogers and screaming at his mother routinely fires up his lathe and CNC machine and fabricates Ruger 10/22 receivers all the time. Those freaking 8 year olds with their machining skills. It's annoying. It's a good thing he can't commercially market those skills in this country.

The nine year olds are even worse though, being nuclear engineers and all.

At that, the customer, obviously horrified at the prospect of subsidizing human rights abuses by purchasing the fruits of exploitative child labor, passes the XD back to the salesman, who eases it back into battery and returns it to the display case. With his "Amnesty International" bona fides intact, our customer moves on to look at the Glocks in the next case.

Because after all, it's much better to buy products from countries where they deny World War 2 ever happened and most of the people live on welfare... oh wait I forgot that Sigs aren't made in Croatia. My bad!

Okay, XD owners - child sweatshop factor aside, would you trust your (or your loved ones') lives to these cheeesy little Croatian pretenders?

Every day. Better than one of those lousy <insert your gun here>.
 
After having one for 1.5 years, NO. Too many jams with different brands of ammo.
 
Whenever I need the highest quality of information mixed in with some biting insight and a dash of satire I always call on a gunstore employee :rolleyes:

In my experience, they all have an agenda, usually to prove how they should really be teaching at MIT and that their paperwork just got snarled up.

I have an XD45, and if it fails to work as advertized I'll post it here, trust me. Thing is, it works perfectly and continually throws 14 round batches of big fat rounds into a single, ragged hole. It also fits my small hands better than a lot of double stack 9mms, which amazes me. It also occupies ever increasing numbers of police holsters, something that unreliable guns tend not to do - just check out the HS2000/XD LEO forum.

The XD45 probably isn't the best gun ever designed, but you can trust your life to it.
 
Amen, Lone Gunman! Remember all the crap Nike and Michael Jordan went thru about 10 yrs (give or take) ago?

How many of you guys own a pair of Nike's?
 
Seems like we are approaching dangerously close to the dreaded "Hate" threads again. :uhoh:

I personally like the XDs and hope to add the 45 to the others I currently own (a sub compact, a service model and a tactical, all 40 caliber). The reliability of the ones I own has been the best of any handgun I have ever owned. Of course your own personal experiences may differ. For the money, they are a great value. I have spent much much more on other Springfield models that have not been as trouble free as the XDs. For those that can't or don't want to spend hundreds of dollars more on one handgun, you can't go wrong with an XD.

Of course when someone can offer actual facts in regard to the reliability of any weapon, I'm all ears. Vague generalities quoted second hand from a gun shop expert aren't exactly considered facts in most circles. Bottom line is if you don't like them, then don't buy them! That leaves more for me anyway. :D
 
Did the salesman manage to talk his prey into a nice expensive Sig or HK?

Actually I am totally ignorant when it comes to employee incentives at gun stores. Do they get a commission or percentage of sales?
 
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