Yet Another New Mosin Nagant

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It is strange though. The seller says it has an M27/30 stock. That's OK with me. Then he said he thinks it's a New England Westinghouse receiver. I find that odd, but OK also. Anyways waiting for the invoice. And I just supposedly sold a set of Crimson Trace Laser grips for a 1911 for $200. (Money order supposedly sent already) So with that money, only cost me $99 + 30 bucks shipping.

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Still need a Finn with a Sako barrel, though. Ones I own
M39 VKT barrel
M24 SIG barrel
M27 Tikka barrel
M28 SIG barrel
New England Westinghouse Finn Capture with SA stamp
91/30 Izzy Finn capture with SA stamp
 
That is not a Westinghouse receiver.
But it is a M-27 stock and front sight, but the rear sight is a Model 1891.
The barrel is not a M-27 either.
They are much heavier especially where the rear sight goes on the barrel.
I have two of the 27's
 
Nice looking Finn. It looks like in the bottom picture the wear on the hex receiver doesn't match the wear on the barrel shank that doesn't match the wear on the rear sight. I haven't seen many Finns to compare, but is that normal? Nice picture of the bore, I bet it'll be a great shooter.

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Nice 1934 Finn m27, in a Finnish 28/30 stock. Not unusual for the Finns, who were masters of recycling.
Show us a pick of the top of the tang, usually the New England Westinghouse receivers were marked there. There will be a letter with an arrow thru it.
Beautiful bore-should be a fine shooter. Congrats, and a good deal, too!
 
It Is an M-27 Finnish Army Rifle.
Prehaps your bolt connector has a "Wing" on it and corrasponding slots in the reciver, at the rear lower inner area, close to the cocking knob, where the 'wings' enter and engauge when the bolt is closed. Only the M-27 had those, but not all of them, as they discontenued them in 1933.Alot had their connecting bar replaced on their bolt, as they were a source of binding.

If it were an early M-28, that had Tikka made barrels, the serial # would be much lower, and there would be a Civil Guard # number running horizontal on the rifles barrel, immediatly behind the rear sight, in the same area as the other marks.

The barrel is marked with a 'Triangle'd T", denoteing Tikka manufacture, as they made barrels for the Finnish Army.
If it were marked SAKO, you would see a large 'S' in a "Gear wheel" marking, it would be an M-28 and would have been manufactured for the Finnish Civil Guard. An M-28 that was not modifyed to the M-28/30 rear sights is pretty rare. Civil Guard rifles are usulay marked with an 'SY' or S.k.Y. marking.


The 'F' notes chamber specifications, when first constructed, as does the "D". The 'D' mark denotes that the throat of the chamber is relived to take the Finn D166 round type of the 7.62X54r., develped in the late 1930's and superceeded the previous chamberings, and the rifles who's chambers were brought to those specications were marked as such.

The rear sight is Finn modifyed with a rear plate for adjustments to the notch, with two screws in place.
Both the M-28 and the M-27 used the modifyed Koronove (sp?)rear sights, but the Civil Guard came up with the better rear sight with their M-28/30 modle. This rear sight design was also used on the later M-39 when the Civil Guard and the Army's of Finnland decided to issue one rifle type to the Finnish troops of both military institutions.

If the reciver is markked with an 'E' That has the middle of the three horizontal lines that make the 'E' that go's outthe left side of the letter as an arrow sorta <-E looking mark, then it would have been made by New England Westinghouse, for the Imperial Russian , prior to the Russian Revolution of 1918.

The stock is an M-28, or M-28/30 , the Civil Guards rifle, with a reinforcement bolt near the front band/bayonet mount, and sling slots for the sling, rather than a rear sling swivle as the Army and elongated steel "popsicle stick' type re-enforcements to the front band. Some M-27 stocks were made with both front and rear slots, but very few. M-28 stocks on an M-27 is fairly common. After the war, it was common to repair a rifle with what fit and was at hand, and bothe M-27's and M-28's were very simular.

Very nice Rifle, Indeed. :)
 
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Yup, that's a NEW receiver, made in East Springfield. Cool rifle!
 
New England Westinghouse receivers are not hard to identify, they are plainly marked along with the date they were made.. Mine was made in 1915. It will shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with surplus ammo. All day long. The rumor that the Russians had inspectors crawling all over the factory while the guns were being made just might be true. Mine has a level of fit and finish, and can shoot with, any Mauser I have ever owned. That includes my 1909 Argentine made by DWM.
 
Yes, the Russians did have inspectors in the NEW (and Remington) plants during production. The inspection was hit-or-miss, though, in large part because especially early on the Russian inspectors were using a lot of out-of-spec gages.

Regarding the markings, the factory name on Mosins (including the American-made ones) is actually on the barrel, not the receiver. When the Finns rebarreled this particular rifle, the "New England Westinghouse 1915" marking (they were all marked 1915, as that was the contract date - Remington ones are marked with the actual year of production) went into the scrap pile with the old barrel.

Here's an excellent resource for learning more about the US-made Mosins, as well as some other WWI contract rifles:
www.amazon.com/Allied-Rifle-Contracts-America-Mosin-Nagant/dp/0970799772/
 
Caribou is spot on with his description. The M27 was an excellent combat rifle (but the wings on the cocking knob were a bad idea and were often discarded). In any case, $300 is actually a good price for that rifle. I'd be happy to own it.
 
Actually I DO think it is a Westinghouse receiver, it has an H with an arrow in the tang, no date. My cheap camera doesn't show it well but it looks something like this, only with an H.

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It also seems to have a Remington bolt. Circle R proof mark.
 
Remington marked ALL the bolt parts with the circle R (with the exception of the extractor I believe). If you have a complete Remington marked bolt assy that would be pretty neat :D
 
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