Yet another rifle project, pre 64 m70.

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I am a sucker for finding and starting new rifle projects before others are finished, but I couldn't pass on this barreled action. Not sure the complete story with the gun but it's a sad one from what I do know. The action and barrel is a pre 64 model 70 Winchester, 3006 1953 on the barrel. Missing a few parts for reasons I'll get into.

Story is I was told it was a supergrade m70 and the fellow that owned was old and was maybe senile and pretty much destroyed the rifle. The stock and so other parts were all cut or carved out, the barrel looks like it was hit with a ice pick all over the shank from the rear sight to the action. Most metal looks like course sand paper was used on it, there rust but some clean up and bluing will fix that.

I have everything but the stock and floorplate and front screw, flower and spring most everything I think will clean up fine for refinishing. The dents I the barrel in not sure if I can get them out with making the shank look funny, I'll see one day how it shoots the bore looks fine I'll just throw it in my other m70 stock to try out.

I'm not sure yet how I want to build this rifle, of course it will never be like new and I don't want to pass it off as one. I figured at worst it will make a good deer rifle but depending on the way I go about it will change the build. I'm really thinking using it for a 280ai build that would upset the Winchester fans. I have to see what stocks are available wood or synthetic, all other parts I can find just like to spend little as possible especially if I do a stock like say a bell and Carlson it maybe worth to do a dbm bottom to save on buying the floorplate and folwer and spring.

So what would you use this action for and how would you build it, I'll see about pictures tomorrow to dark to get anything you can actually see lol. For parts I was looking on the pre64 sight and some stuff is reasonable and some pricy. Any other places for parts would be welcomed.

Some questions for the m70 guys, will post war m70s fit in the new fn guns. I'd there a way to really tell if this action was a supergrade with the stock and floorplate. Any aftermarket bottom metals made for the 70.

I got the gun for $325 so even for a bear usable action I think I made a good buy.
 
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257 Bob or ai version, 284 win, 35 Whelen, 338-06. How about a 7mm06 ai, aka 280 ai,.
Ya I'll most likely do a 280ai tho kinda have the 284 in my head to. Wish I had the money to build it now I'd really want it. Kinda wish it was a mag bolt be nice for a 7prc. I picked up 2 pounds of leverevolution powder today for $42 a pound, so happy to have some powder for my 6mmarc project when I finish it lol.
 
Wish I had the time and talent to do something like this. Still want to add an 06 to the stable.
It's not to hard it's just having the money to do it properly, there's some things I can save on but some you cant. I have to order and make some stuff for the rust bluing it's easy just need a few things. I'm cursed by the 3006 so not to keen on them for hunting, shop has a nice rem 721 3006 for $425 is like to pick up tho.
 
I have been through several pre 64 Model 70 changeovers and can offer some advice. At one point I bought every single Model 70 piece and assembled them into a complete rifle. I wanted to do the project so I would know everything about a per 64 Model 70. I would suggest building it as a featherweight.

1. The first thing to buy is a barrel. This can be a cheap part of your build or as expensive as you want to go. A barrel can be easily installed and headspaced by a competent gunsmith and my current gunsmith charges about $120 to install a used barrel and you can buy a used pre 64 barrel on eBay for about $100. A post 64 Winchester 70 Classic barrel will also fit right on with minimum adjustment. That gives you the ability to use Winchester Classic calibers. Tell me what else you want to know?
 
Starting to believe this was a real supergrade, pulled off the front sight hood and it has the Redfield gold bead sight, these bring big money from what I've seen don't know why but they do. Think the rear sight is the Marbles since it has one screw.
 
I have been through several pre 64 Model 70 changeovers and can offer some advice. At one point I bought every single Model 70 piece and assembled them into a complete rifle. I wanted to do the project so I would know everything about a per 64 Model 70. I would suggest building it as a featherweight.

1. The first thing to buy is a barrel. This can be a cheap part of your build or as expensive as you want to go. A barrel can be easily installed and headspaced by a competent gunsmith and my current gunsmith charges about $120 to install a used barrel and you can buy a used pre 64 barrel on eBay for about $100. A post 64 Winchester 70 Classic barrel will also fit right on with minimum adjustment. That gives you the ability to use Winchester Classic calibers. Tell me what else you want to know?
Ya there are barrels as cheap as $50 on that pre 64 sight, $100 for a 85% blued fwt barrel. Finding a stock maybe a problem I may just see about a Richards micro fits stock, think boyds make some but they don't have a good feel. Not sure if b&c still make the stocks either.
 
I have been through several pre 64 Model 70 changeovers and can offer some advice. At one point I bought every single Model 70 piece and assembled them into a complete rifle. I wanted to do the project so I would know everything about a per 64 Model 70. I would suggest building it as a featherweight.

1. The first thing to buy is a barrel. This can be a cheap part of your build or as expensive as you want to go. A barrel can be easily installed and headspaced by a competent gunsmith and my current gunsmith charges about $120 to install a used barrel and you can buy a used pre 64 barrel on eBay for about $100. A post 64 Winchester 70 Classic barrel will also fit right on with minimum adjustment. That gives you the ability to use Winchester Classic calibers. Tell me what else you want to know?
Will featherweight floorplate work, I'm pretty sure they will, I see them cheaper then standard steel floorplates.
 
Yes, all of the pre 64 Model 70 metal parts for non-magnum standard calibers are interchangable. For example, you can use an aluminum trigger guard with a steel floorplate or a steel trigger guard with an aluminum floorplate. A 22 hornet floorplate would be the exception. Winchester metal parts are standardized to the point where you just pick up a part and it fits. It goes without saying that a featherweight stock won't interchange with a standard barrel and vice versa, and a magnum bolt can't be used for standard calibers.
 
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All the pre 64s on gunbroken/r seem to start around $1,400....:eek: really?

Over the past 57-odd years everyone has said those are the last of the guns with the qualities that made them so great. For Model 70 purists the pre-‘64 rifles are the ones to get, so owners are asking (and getting) what the collectors and nostalgia buyers will pay. Which, as your price posting shows, is more than I can. :(

Stay safe.
 
There are those, and people even on this forum, who do not think a pre 64 Model 70 is any better or even equal to what is being sold new today. I respect their opinion and they can do what they want, but every rifle I own is a pre 64 Model 70 and they have helped me enjoy hundreds of hours of shooting and hunting. I have owned rifles by Remington, Weatherby, Mauser and Sako but none of them were of the same high quality as my rifles. When these rifles were made Winchester was the premier rifle builder in the world and most rifles made today don't live up to this quality standard. The base pre 64 Model 70 rifle has been upgraded by the industry today by newly designed scopes, mounts, triggers, recoil pads, sling swivel cups, bullets and powders to the extent that they preform at a higher level than when they were originally sold. After market barrels provide new capability like the 280 AI. If you go to sell a rifle today with an after market barrel the first questions that come up are who made the barrel and who did the gunsmith work. When it comes to buying a rifle the purchase price is all about the condition of the metal. A pre 64 receiver and complete bolt in good condition can easily be turned into a high quality rifle.
 
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Man I'd love to come up with something like that for that price. I'd certainly be building that Whelen I've been wanting forever.

Spare no expense on the barrel
I wouldn't mind a whelen but one of my projects I'm working on now is a 9.3x62 on a 09 Argentine mauser action so there pretty close. Some day I'll do one tho. I'll probably get a Shaw barrel they shoot pretty good, even if I did the m70 like a modern long range deer rifle the Shaw would probably be fine, tho I'd really like to do a carbon barrel. I'm finding out tho no one really makes aftermarket bottom parts for the pre 64s.
 
Yes, all of the pre 64 Model 70 metal parts for non-magnum standard calibers are interchangable. For example, you can use an aluminum trigger guard with a steel floorplate or a steel trigger guard with an aluminum floorplate. A 22 hornet floorplate would be the exception. Winchester metal parts are standardized to the point where you just pick up a part and it fits. It goes without saying that a featherweight stock won't interchange with a standard barrel and vice versa, and a magnum bolt can't be used for standard calibers.
I'll keep a eye out for a steel floorplate I plan on rust bluing everything so don't mind one that has so scratches. Since I could never afford to make this a supergrade I should sell that redfield gold bead sight. They seem to bring big money tho I'm not sure if there's many guys looking for that sight. Maybe I can find someone to trade some stuff for the sight tho.
 
Over the past 57-odd years everyone has said those are the last of the guns with the qualities that made them so great. For Model 70 purists the pre-‘64 rifles are the ones to get, so owners are asking (and getting) what the collectors and nostalgia buyers will pay. Which, as your price posting shows, is more than I can. :(

Stay safe.
ya the only hope for a nice rifle is buying one like that last 270m70 I got, it has the side mount and that kills the collector value but makes it affordable for a very nice deer rifle.
 
Hate to see that. I have a late 52 or early 53 30-06 M70 that I've kept carefully in 95% condition complete with a steel Weaver K4 scope. My buggered up gun is a 1895 Savage commemorative that I'm not sure where to start. I need to do some pics.
 
Hate to see that. I have a late 52 or early 53 30-06 M70 that I've kept carefully in 95% condition complete with a steel Weaver K4 scope. My buggered up gun is a 1895 Savage commemorative that I'm not sure where to start. I need to do some pics.
Ya hurts even more knowing it was a supergrade, at least it will get a new life.
 
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