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...thanks for your service and could you help an old dog pick the right knives for his young pups??? My 20 and 22-yr-old boys are in Iraq as of last week...I'd like to send them a couple of good knives...one small and one large...how do the Cold Steel knives perform? I want them to have a 5" or 6" with a good sheath that has lashing holes.....and one much smaller...3'" or so for working...I'd been looking at the SRK...but all I know about fighting knives I learned 40 years ago in boot camp...
 
Find out if they're allowed to carry them first. Many commanders do not allow soldiers to carry any knife other than a multitool.

BTW, the most useful "knife" to a soldier is the multitool or a good 3-4" super sturdy folder.
 
+1 on a good folding knife -- something like a Benchmade Griptilian, one of the CRKT M16-series folders, or similar stuff from Spyderco would all be good options.
 
hso...I'll find that out...

...though I can't understand why they might not be able to...we were trained in bayonet/knife fighting...they have not been...why not??? They were issued two good Gerber multitools each...they really like them....
...thanks for the responses...
 
Our niece did her tour over there and said the same thing as the son of a friend; that they were issued a multitool, and that was all they needed. The simple fact is that a lot of the unit comanders will not allow the carry of a fixed blade knife, other than the issue bayonet for the service rifle.

The other fact that my friends son said was they were so loaded down with gear already, it was hard to justify any additional things.

If you must send them something, and they already have a multitool, give them a compact folder like a Spyderco. Every young person I've talked to who has served all say the same thing; multitool is the thing.
 
JShirley and many others who have been in OEF or OIF have pointed out just what Carl said, anything that didn't serve a "right here, right now" need get's put in the foot locker.

Ironically, this isn't the first time that folks thought a large knife was just the thing and the soldier quickly dumped it when lugging it around became too much trouble. During the War Between the States Confederate soldiers that were issued or given large D-guard Bowies and large daggers found them comforting until they had to march with them. I've read old accounts of ditches bordered like picket fences made of large knives as the load got heavier and heavier as mile after mile was marched.

These days with all the armor and gear carried by infantry personnel another 18 oz of big knife they never use becomes intolerable. Toss in the thing getting hung up on vehicles during mount/dismount and I'm reading reports of big knives becoming mementos instead of tools.
 
I've talked to a Desert War vet today...

...who agrees with the above...bayonets are not even issued anymore and commanders are worried about soldiers sticking each other...the new M4 doesn't even have a mounting lug, according to him...haven't seen one...well, I'll be getting their individual base commander's policy before I send several hundred dollars worth of knives over...thanks a lot for hitting my brakes...had no clue how much it's changed!!! All the knowledge I have about war is about 40 years old.....:eek:
 
...Don't get me wrong...

...I don't stand with the ranks of you fine men who went to Nam and other unreported places...I meant to...but the Corps had other plans for me...I was in 2nd SerBn, 2MarDiv, Camp LeJeune, and we welcomed home and processed out many of you...I learned by listening to the stories and asking those who wanted to talk, some of what you guys went through for us...and how you were mistreated when you got home...closest I came to combat was when I slammed my CO's door on us one afternoon and screamed him out for tormenting and giving office hours to guys who'd been back only a week or two...and that day LCpl beat a Major...he went home crying...I work every day with a Nam vet-69 years old...ex-POW who didn't get home till '73...you guys have my respect and admiration till my last breath...and I'm the first voice raised in challenge when someone disses our servicemen...long before my sons enlisted...I am honored to have known as many of you as I have been able to...Semper Fi!!!
 
They are supposed to...

...stay on base and repair hydraulics on helicopters...unless one is down out there somewhere and they have to go out and try to nurse it home...I told them their derrieres belong to the Army and they may be doing ANYTHING, ANYWHERE...they're at Tallil AFB in southern Iraq, issued 1 mag and 30 rounds...time will tell...being on base, I figured the smaller work knife would be good, as you have suggested, and the larger if they go out in the country...we'll see...
 
"All the knowledge I have about war is about 40 years old..... "


Don't worry sheepdog, that's about how old my own personal knowledge is. My tour in Vietnam was 1967-68, in the Combat Engineers.

Most of the time we had tool kits with us particular to our construction role. As far as personal cutlery I had a Buck Stockman in the top right pocket of my fatigue shirt, and a Buck folding hunter on my web gear. The Buck folding hunter was sold at the PX for something like 12 dollars, and everybody, I mean EVERYBODY, had one. I read in some of these knife magazines where they talk about Randalls and custom knives, but the only high end knife like a Randall I ever saw, was one that a senior NCO had in a rear area. If I had to pick the most ppular knife I saw in the whole time I was there, it was the Buck folder. There were some of the MLK all steel scout knives, the ones called Demo knives, around, but they were not very good knives. They broke a lot of back springs.

Some of the special forces guys had the Buck 119 special or the Gerber double edge job, the MK 1 I think they called it. I always get the MK1 and MK2 confused.

I don't think things have changed much in 40 years, the troops are still loaded down with a ton of 'stuff' they have to hump around. The big combat knives and short sword nonsense is the stuff of knife magazine fantacy to sell a product.

One thing you can ship them, a good compact flashight that takes easy to get AA batteries. Something small and personal for around the barracks at night.
 
Helo mechanics would probably get a kick out of a sturdy folder that they can put in their pocket and an upgraded leatherman.
 
As a Bradley mechanic we used the hell out of our Gerber multi-tools that were issued. My little brother is over there now but he's convoy support so his mission is a little different. I sent him a heavy duty t-handled strap cutter and a Griptilian. His commander doesn't allow fixed blades but folders and multi-tools are ok. Most of the time we used our knives for cutting open MRE's and thats about it. The Gerbers were always snapping their jaws but they may have improved since then.
 
My son has the Gerber multi tools also, if you decide to upgrade the multi tool get it in black or at least some dulled finish.
I also got him a Gerber LMF and had some engraving done on the blade for his graduation from OSUT. I will ask if he can still carry while deployed when he comes home for R&R but I know when I last saw it this summer it was well used and with the rest of his gear.
 
BTW, the most useful "knife" to a soldier is the multitool or a good 3-4" super sturdy folder.
+1000 on the multitool
You mentioned that they both have Gerbers. I'm not going to get into a brand war here, but I've had bad experience with the Gerber multitools. The Leathermans on the other hand are superb!
I carried a Leatherman Charge, the one with the titanium finish, and it served me very well. They don't come cheap, but the Leatherman Wave is almost the exact same thing. I never had a Wave but it seemed to do well with some other guys.
 
Straz Uncle Sam must have a contract with Gerber because from the sounds of it that is whats issued service wide.
I have a Wave myself and agree it is a fine tool especially when suplemented with the insert tool kit. There are all sizes of screw driver as well as allen and torx.
 
My first tour into the sand saw use being a jack of all trades so we had to carry the issued bayonet and Gerber multi tool cuz one minute you could be working on a piece of gear the next defending the area you were in. The SgtMaj we had suggested we also have a stout fixed blade knife but it wasnt required. Now my second tour was kinda different we could have and carry big fixed blades for the first half of the tour. The second half we had to turn in our bayonets to the armory and lock any knives other than our Gerbers or the Benchmade autos we we issued.
 
Assisted Folders

If you're sending a folder, find out what they will be allowed to bring home.

If I understand it right, there are some "import" restrictions on things like automatic knives, and those restrictions might bleed over onto assisted knives.

It would be a bummer if you sent a nice assisted folder, only to find that they couldn't bring it home with them.

My data on this is fuzzy, so someone with better knowledge may want to chime in and clarify.

 
Thanks for all the tips and responses!!!!!

...just found out my older son (22) Re-enlisted since he left...don't know if he extended as a reservist or went regular...hope to talk to him soon...I don't know the models of Gerber they got...but I'll find out and may send them some Leathermen...and WILL send them some short folders...about 4"...I sent them over with 1-watt LED headlights and 1watt hand flashlights...all run by AAA...those LED lights are powerful!!!

...again...thanks for stepping up in service and thanks for helping me....
 
those restrictions might bleed over onto assisted knives.

No. That issue finally got dealt with by amending the federal switchblade law recently. :D

And there aren't any "restrictions" on importing autos, unless you consider a complete prohibition on importing any switchblade a restriction. ;)

The SOG Power Pliers have always been good and the better Leathermans. A lot of guys like to multipliers that you don't have to open to get to the tools. Also, don't hesitate to have their names and "OIF 2009" on them.

The mechanics I deal with are nuts about he "Mechnix" brand of gloves for some reason. They've had me mule them in for them every time I go to Kuwait.
 
A good leatherman or gerber multi tool is handy. I also carried a Gerber Gator folding knife. Came in extremely handy and is very rugged.
 
Strong second for the Leatherman brand. The needlenose pliers seem to be more handy.

The name engraving is a great idea. Always good to have a way to prove somethings yours.
 
I used a Spyderco Native during a couple of fire missions. Abused the hell out of that knife, cutting into mortar "tootsie rolls" in sand, grit, and snow. Great knife.

If they have multitools already, I suggest one of the following, from smaller to larger*:
FRN Dragonfly PE
Dragonfly G10
FRN Delica PS
Delica G10
Spyderco Native PS
Manix 2 PE G10
(The Manix is the surprising value of these, at $81 for a large, sturdy USA-made knife with G10 scales.)

FRN versions are plenty strong, but if you want top of the line, choose the G10.

If you're looking for incredible value, I suggest the
Persistence PE or

PS Tenacious
 
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