JeffG
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As a career LEO, most of the felons that were caught with guns really didn't care what anyone thought. Making a law to exclude gun rights from a felon doesn't make practical sense, if they are going to possess and carry them anyway.
Does that mean you advocate making it legal?
personally I see it as them just having more rope.
It’s something to extend the sentence on their next conviction.
A right is a right. If they can't be trusted to own a weapon then why were they let out of prison?
You may not yell "fire" in a crowded theatre.
Because they have already proven they will use the tool to deprive others of their rights. When you misuse the tool you don’t get to use it any more.You bring up a valid point. I have always seen a gun as a tool. It's not the fact that you have one, but what you do with it. If you break the law with it, you get prosecuted for it. Why should a felon, reformed or otherwise, not have self defense or home defense rights?
That is part of the petition process.Here is a question no one has asked.
Do the affected victims have any say in whether the person who perpetrated the crime against them get a say in whether or not the person getting out of prison after finishing a felony sentence gets their gun rights back?
If they’re cool with it, I am.
Stay safe.
Drug dealers don’t card their customers. They sell to children and addicts who are not competent to make that decision. Drug dealers are evil."
"What about people who dealt drugs?" Consenting adults make bad choices to buy drugs.
I take genuine offense to this statement. I lived through more than my share of hard times and I worked two or three or more jobs if that was what it took to take care of my children. I worked at hard and repugnant jobs that I did not enjoy or want to do. I did not choose to steal or hurt people to meet our needs. Hard times are not an excuse for evil behavior.What about people who genuinely felt it was the only way to feed their children. They aren't angels, but nobody here is. They're just people like you and me.
You all are talking like there is no process to restore the civil rights of felons. In virtually every state a felon can appeal first to the governor to have your basic civil rights restored, then to the circuit court to have your right to bear arms restored.
I see no problem to seeing some red tape and a burden for proof of citizenship (the behavior) as a step towards having rights restored. The onus for this is rightly with the felon.
I don’t see what you are all arguing about as these rights -including the right to vote and the right to bear arms- are already restorable for felons not convicted for domestic violence.
Here is a question no one has asked.
Do the affected victims have any say in whether the person who perpetrated the crime against them get a say in whether or not...
A drug dealer simply feeds them the yay-yo because they asked for it.
This is nowhere near always true. Their have been entire books written to explain how most Americans commit multiple felonies a day, without even knowing it..
It's not worth it to me to stop you from using or selling drugs, to have the police kick in MY door because they can't read an address or do a five minute internet search that would tell them that the person who USED to live at my address has been in prison for murder for five years.You are hard line on some points , (I am not criticizing that) , but are pretty soft on drug dealers.
That's not a bug. It's a feature.I’ve read this entire thread top to bottom and I’m still trying to figure out what felony I committed yesterday and which will I commit today.
You do understand that going to prison is nothing but punishment and does nothing to rehabilitate the prisoner or repay any debt to society. If anything prison adds to to debt to society. Society gains nothing from throwing someone in prison. It is actually quite expensive.I believe once somebody has paid their debt to society they ought to have their constitutional rights restored
Someone who cheated on taxes, or made a stupid decision a long time ago (especially without malicious intent) shouldn't necessarily forfeit a constitutional right for life. Someone with a history of robbery or assault with weapons, or a jacket with predatory criminal behavior is way different than someone who got into a bar fight years ago and got the book thrown at him/her, or had a substance abuse problem at one time and got caught with something in his/her pocket but is now "clean".