Your papers,please. (?)

[Al Norris]

Something has been bothering me about this whole thing.

On another forum, I asked whether or not this was a city road. You know, a bonafide city causeway. A person, allegedly from Denver replied that it was a city road. The the Federal "enclave" was built up around it and that only the city bus is stopped. No gates. Regular cars, zip right on by.

Here, another poster replies that this is a gated stop.

Who do I believe?

'Cause if this is a city street, then the feds don't have a leg to stand on. If the City gave up their right of way, and it is a gated stop, then why aren't there big ole signs on that particular bus, informing the people of the stop and ID check point? (Don't know that there isn't, just is never mentioned by anyone) Better yet, why didn't the city just route the bus around the block(s)?

Ah well. I'll have to give my sister a ring. She lives over in Commerce City, just a few minutes from downtown Denver. Maybe she can tell me what's up with the bus route....

 

[jefmad]

By the way people are only required to show ID to enter closed federal facility. My understanding is that in times of higher security the bus is detoured around the facility(closed). Then when public transportation is going through the facility is it not by definitition "open" and not subject to the ID requirement?
Also if she did break the law by not showing ID why did they not charge her with that but instead with disorderly conduct and other BS charges?

 

[White Horseradish]

Old Dog, has there been any study or any other kind of analysis on the effectiveness of ID checks? Or is this something the security professionals accept as a given?

 

[Old Dog]

has there been any study or any other kind of analysis on the effectiveness of ID checks

Yes, many. DoD, DoJ, DoT, NRA (the nuke folks, not the gun folks) and many others have commissioned contract studies, in-house studies and surveys, think-tank studies, so on and so forth, on security measures for military bases, federal installations, power plants, chemical plants, etc.

One thing to remember is, the "cursory" ID checks are mainly instituted simply to protect against the lowest-common denominator threat, i.e., a bunch of homeless folks, winos, bums or petty criminals accessing your area of responsibility and interfering with your business, littering, vandalizing or committing petty crimes like burglaries ... It's simply basic housekeeping.

And yes, in that regard, ID checks at access-control points have proven effective ...

But if one wants to believe they're there simply to allow some private security guard with a badge and gun the opportunity to harass citizens and ensure that all passers-by are exercising their compliance to govt', hey, have at it ...

Doubt you'd find any security professionals who regard ID checks at access points as an effective deterrent against a determined terrorist, but ya gotta start somewhere...