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I sent the following to a limited group of friends today.

I hate to put it quite this way, but people who may think that calling 911 will solve their problems if someone is trying to breech their car door, their back door, or the door from their garage to their living quarters are terribly naive. The call will take far too long even if you are not in St. Louis where you will likely be put on hold, and the response time will be far too long to protect you even in the best-policed communities. You are on your own.

Haven't put much thought into it? Get out a stop watch and do the math. Have some friends help in role-playing. If you do not conclude that in the event of a mugging, car-jacking, robbery, or a violent unlawful invasion of your domicile you are on your own, keep working on it.

Attorney Colion Noir (Collins Iyare Idehen Jr) explains if all extremely well in the attached video. Take the time to watch it. Reflect on it. Then do your own risk analysis, realizing that even if you think the odds that you will need to protect yourself are very remote, the severity of the potential consequences is extremely high.

And read and heed this: the presence of a weapon cannot stop incoming fire; using deadly force to protect property is unlawful everywhere in this country except in Texas; if the threat is over, so is your justification to use force; your objective is to protect self and family, not to kill, though the attacker may perish in or after the event; yours is not to punish, but to protect; you have no business trying to detain anyone; your gun will not protect you unless you can access it immediately.

BTW, robbery is not theft; it is a crime against persons.

I have two rules: (1) I will do everything I can to avoid having to shoot at anyone; and (2) if there is some place where I would not feel safe without a gun, I will not go there. There are such places. But my end-game objective is always to avoid serious injury or death.

Let's be careful out there!

Watch the video.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzHTrG3EYhM
 
I wish everyone could listen to "the Karen 9-1-1 call".

It starts with a young mother named Karen calling 9-1-1 on a weekday mid-morning to report that someone is banging on her front door. The call taker instructs Karen to lock herself and her baby in the master bedroom to await police. The guy banging on the front door forces entry and then starts breaking down the locked bedroom door. When he makes entry, the call taker instructs Karen to tell him that she's on the phone with the police and they're on the way, which she does. It doesn't faze the intruder. Then Karen starts pleading with the intruder. In less than 2 minutes into the 9-1-1 call, the intruder is raping her and it's all recorded. Police finally arrive and pull the guy off Karen.
 
Anyone, ANYONE who thinks that the police can get there in time to save them needs to get online and search 911 calls. It's eye opening to say the least. Horrifying.

Not blaming police, its a matter of time and distance. Sometimes, most of the time, crimes happen when there isn't an officer close. Until they get there, you ARE on your own. Most police jurisdictions are under staffed. Wait times can't be helped.

We are all on our own for a while, be prepared.

Any anti gunner, or just the unbelievably naive, say they don't need a gun because they can just call 911 needs to be sent links to some of these 911 calls.

No need to argue with them to try and change their minds, just let them glimpse the real world outside of their utopic delusions.

The antis effectively use fear to get support for more gun control laws. It works for them. We can do it too, no need to lie or make up "fact and statistics" like they do. Just have them listen to some of these calls, their own minds will do the rest.

:what:
 
We have a local county sheriff who's been very transparent about his rural department's response times. He's on record, several times over the past few years, informing the good people of his county that they need to own firearms to defend themselves, their families and their property. Quite refreshing, actually, in Western Washington. Unfortunately, the neighboring counties are all solidly blue, with politicians for sheriffs and appointed police chiefs.
Tinman357 said:
The antis effectively use fear to get support for more gun control laws. It works for them. We can do it too, no need to lie or make up "fact and statistics" like they do. Just have them listen to some of these calls, their own minds will do the rest.
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I mostly agree with you, Robert, but for a lot of these folks, their minds won't change until they themselves become victims. Kinda like my life-long liberal, PETA member, vegan, tree-hugging, greenie sister who lives in a "nice" suburb of Chicago (like Bainbridge Isl. or Bellevue) and got car-jacked at gunpoint in her apartment complex's parking lot a year or so ago -- wanna guess the substance of her first phone conversation with me? "So, I'm applying for a FOID and a CCL, I need you to take me shooting."
 
You literally are on your own. These times are relatively quick compared to when I lived in the country it could have been 20-30 min.
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Even at 6 minutes, the incident is likely already over, one successfully defended themself, or not; the police arrive afterward and make a report.
 
"if there is some place where I would not feel safe without a gun, I will not go there."
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Wish it was just that simple. If you can, great, and by all means, do so, but sometimes you cant avoid it and have to deal with it.

And anymore, just where is that anyway?

The JPFO had, maybe still does, a book called "Dial 911 and Die". Its well worth reading if you can get a copy of it. Basically a wake up call and shows you where you actually stand, which isnt a good place, in any state. The police basically have immunity and no duty to come, so even if you call, there is no guarantee youll get help.

And like he said in the video, just because you have a gun, doesnt mean you are armed. It simply means you have a gun. If you dont regularly put the time and effort in, to work on shooing what you carry, realistically, and from how you carry it, dont fool yourself into thinking youre prepared because you can shoot tight little groups at your leisure at bullseye targets at the range.

Also, if youre going to bother carrying a gun, you need to get into the mindset that its no different than anything else you carry with you all day, every day, like your wallet, watch, phone, pocket knife, etc., and always have it on you. Its really not a big deal, until all of a sudden, it is.

If you dont have it on you when you need it, you wont have time to go look for it.
 
When I was on the job the coverage for a single deputy was 1.2 per 1000 citizens it is now 1.24 per 1000 I have been retired for 11 years the county was big enough to have its own Judicial Circuit.
 
The only time my wife called 911 to our rural residence, she was told response time would be 45 minutes to an hour because of a raging blizzard, limited LEO on duty, and other calls for service. Fortunately, she resolved the situation without needing to use her Glock or unleash the Rottweiler.
 
My last (and only) 911 call for police was for a situation where a man kicked down our front door and found himself face to face with my wife who happened to be walking by that part of the house. She was not prepared for what took place but she is a cool customer and raised her phone to take his picture. The guy did not hang around for the photo and ran off & into the bed of a get away pickup truck. Luckily it was not a home invasion just a couple of guys trying to rob what they thought was an empty house.
The incident took place at around 11:30 AM on a work day & police took 25 minutes to arrive. A real bad criminal can do a lot of damage in much less than 25 minutes so we were very fortunate that these were not the worst of the lot.
 
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away..."

Trite, but true.

I've talked to a police officer in the very small city, really like a small village, that I now live in. He said two officers are on duty at any given time, and they can be anywhere within the city in two minutes or less. Pretty good response time.

But my thought was that would be too long if someone was doing something life threatening to me or mine. My intention is to protect my person and my family myself if necessary.
 
Speedo66 said:
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away..."

Trite, but true.

I've talked to a police officer in the very small city, really like a small village, that I now live in. He said two officers are on duty at any given time, and they can be anywhere within the city in two minutes or less. Pretty good response time.

But my thought was that would be too long if someone was doing something life threatening to me or mine. My intention is to protect my person and my family myself if necessary.
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Your ability to resist sure changes what type of scene they roll up on. Keeping someone outside for two minutes while armed isn't a out of the question proposition.
 
Old Dog said:
Kinda like my life-long liberal, PETA member, vegan, tree-hugging, greenie sister who lives in a "nice" suburb of Chicago (like Bainbridge Isl. or Bellevue) and got car-jacked at gunpoint in her apartment complex's parking lot a year or so ago -- wanna guess the substance of her first phone conversation with me? "So, I'm applying for a FOID and a CCL, I need you to take me shooting."
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How in the hell are you supposed to take her shooting from the other side of the country?
 
After reading the entire discussion I have to ask who the target audience is.

I think most people here are aware that the police aren't going to get there in time to prevent any crime. Isn't that why we invest in self defense?

I've already mentioned that in the last year that I worked I was calling the police for service and I was being told "No one's coming." I want to be very clear about what I'm saying, I wasn't being told that the next available officer would respond to the call, I was being told there were no available officers and that if I wanted to report the crime I could do it online. I don't know how long the response time would be for an emergency. But it wouldn't be in time to change the outcome.

Kleanbore said:
(2) if there is some place where I would not feel safe without a gun, I will not go there.
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I mean, I get what you're trying to say here but this cliche is a cliche. It's 2023 Bro regardless of how you feel there really isn't any place out there that you are safe. Safer maybe, but not safe.
 
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Night Rider said:
After reading the entire discussion I have to ask who the target audience is. I think most people here are aware that the police aren't going to get there in time to prevent any crime.
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As I said in the OP, I sent the note to a limited group of friends. A few of them have concealed carry guns and gear and have taken defensive pistol training, but rarely carry. A few carry much of the time. Some have anti-gun spouses who believe that the police will protect them. One is an active anti-gunner. who has children.
Night Rider said:
I think most people here are aware that the police aren't going to get there in time to prevent any crime.
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Yes. I thought I would share it here; perhaps some of the members can use it.
Night Rider said:
I mean, I get what you're trying to say here but this cliche is a cliche.
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Not so fast. That concept comes as a surprise to many. And it is counter to what some people seem to live by here--"if I'm just going to get milk....but if...".
Night Rider said:
regardless of how you feel there really isn't any place out there that you are safe.
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That wasn't the point.
 
If someone thinks that LE can prevent someone from becoming the victim of a violent crime ... consider how well LE can prevent people from becoming involved in traffic collisions.:uhoh:

LE can respond to reports of traffic collisions after the fact. :scrutiny:

Most of the regular members of my cigar club know I'm retired from LE. Nonetheless, I still frequently have questions posed to me (as well as to another retired cop there) by regular guys and gals of the "What if?" variety, which clearly reveals that the average person has little understanding of the role, responsibilities and capabilities of LE in our society. They simply don't grasp that when they read some slogan like "To Serve and Protect" on a marked patrol veh, it means the general public safety, not down at the individual level.

Why do many public officials and celebrities need to hire people to specifically protect them?

Why do self defense laws exist?
 
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