1911 Slide Release Don't Use?

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Thanks guys. I have heard some tactical operators really like the slingshot method, but I will stay with the slide release method as this is the way I was taught in the military and it seems faster to me. I don't really think that somehow I'll forget to hit the switch under stress.
 
Using the slide stop to drop the slide won't cause accelerated wear or damage (unless you use an empty/no magazine).

Do what works best for you. I use the slide stops on my 1911s and Kahr, but tend to sling shot everything else.

Dude, on the two-way shooting range what you do, or did, in competition is irrelevant.
Unless being on a two way shooting range causes additional wear on a firearm, your point is irrelevant.
 
Dude, on the two-way shooting range what you do, or did, in competition is irrelevant. When bad guys are shooting back, the Gun Shop Commando advice goes out the window. Thumbing the slide release-lever to chamber a round is Grampa's Gizzer gun technique that dates to WW1.

Since you're bringing up combat it should be mentioned when using a sidearm (while rare in many cases) you may not have both hands at the moment you're needing to hit the release. That's when a slingshot would be useless. Probably best to practice both methods.

No need to down other peoples methods. In this case if he's a true competitive shooter he's probably sending more rounds downrange in a month than most of us do all year.
 
Do what works best for you. I use the slide stops on my 1911s and Kahr, but tend to sling shot everything else.
I agree, do what works best for you, but I would think doing the same all the time, would be the smarter thing.

Not trying to be all tactical and all, just saying that if you should happen to need to be, thats not the time to start trying to figure out what it is you have in your hands, and what works best for "everything" in the moment.
 
The OP's question was not about which method was tactically superior (which cannot be answered definitively regardless of how strong your position), it was whether it will damage the gun. The answer, without debate, is that it will not damage the gun. That sentiment is horse hockey. :)
 
Since you're bringing up combat it should be mentioned when using a sidearm (while rare in many cases) you may not have both hands at the moment you're needing to hit the release. That's when a slingshot would be useless.

:rolleyes: No argument there.

But if you read the OP's question, he wasn't specifying the case where one hand/arm is wounded, out of commission, or otherwise occupied. Sure, in that situation, you'd have to thumb the release one-handed if you could while under that sort of stress.

But because the sling-shot method involves gross(er) motor movements with both hands that apply across 1911 and non-1911 pistol-types, it's simply more efficient and practical.
 
Meh. If you managed to hit the little itty bitty button to get the magazine out of the gun, you'll be fine hitting the little itty bitty button to get the slide back in battery. That is assuming you ever managed to get it out of a retention holster in the first place..

The "gross motor movement" thing is horribly over played.

Sling shot might be seeing it's sunset anyways with the rise of pistol mounted micro red dots.

Of course, this thread was answered in the first reply, so moderator time.
 
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"Overhand. Powerstroke. Overhand rack." Not "sling shot". Noone slingshots anymore.

The slide lock lever costs you more than 1/8" of travel. Sometimes that can effect reliability. Your choice, but I'll overhand rack it.
 
Argue with Larry Vickers, dude. No need for the rude tone of your post.

First, dude-ski, I wasn't being rude; second, you apparently didn't watch that Vickers self-promoting YouTube vid you linked. L.V. says he's okay with the sling-shot technique ... as long as you're not running a Beretta 92. :rolleyes:

The real problem with L.V. is that he's still stuck in his '80s SF training. Okay, just so we're clear, it's not 1985 anymore. TTPs have evolved quite a bit from back in the day.

Ask Chris and Travis ... ;)
 
Many are ignorant of how to properly do the aforesaid sling-shot technique which only puts said ignorant dudes well-behind the tactical curve ...

Thumbing the slide release-lever to chamber a round is Grampa's Gizzer gun technique that dates to WW1.

The real problem with L.V. is that he's still stuck in his '80s SF training. Okay, just so we're clear, it's not 1985 anymore.

Seems rude to me. Certainly not high road.
 
How many people are even reading the OP?

I have read that you aren't supposed to use the slide release lever to chamber a round when reloading with the slide locked back. I've heard this can wear down this part and ruin it.
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Any truth to this?
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Does anyone know if it is in fact a bad idea to use the slide release on a 1911, or it it horse pockey?


Or: Is it a damagingly bad idea to use the slide stop?

Not, How does the Mossad return the slide to battery?
Not, Am I really "sling shotting" if I'm also "overhanding"?
Not, Will my flux capacitor fail if the slide does not return to battery at 88 mph?

Will using the slide stop cause damage?

Absolutely not.


Todd.
 
If this affects reliability, then there's something wrong with the pistol and it should be fixed.
Not necessarily. Ive had it happen pretty regularly with 1911's over the years when using the slide stop to release the slide, and its not necessarily the slide stop itself thats causing the issue.

I cant remember ever having the issue moving the slide to full rearward extension and releasing it.
 
Thanks guys, I didn't mean to start an argument. :(

I am just a bit set in my habits I guess... training on the M9 can do that to a man. I was just wondering it it would hurt the pistol or cause it to malfunction, which appears it won't so I believe I will use this method. Thanks so much all, your answers are really helping me as I am new to the 1911.
 
I agree, do what works best for you, but I would think doing the same all the time, would be the smarter thing.

Not trying to be all tactical and all, just saying that if you should happen to need to be, thats not the time to start trying to figure out what it is you have in your hands, and what works best for "everything" in the moment.

The slide stop on a 1911 and a Kahr are close enough to the same location that it doesn't matter. Glocks and Sigs are much further back.

However, having to figure out what I have in my hand isn't an issue. Its a lot like my cars. If I'm going on a sprited drive, or have to use evasive maneuvers, I know weather or not I'm in my Acura, Caprice, or Ranger (evasive maneuvers only) and drive accordingly.

While my Caprice and Acura are (about) evenly matched in handling capabilities, driving them near the limit is quite a bit different.

Its the same going from my 1911 to my Glock. At first, with the Glock, I had to get used to the trigger, and had to remember to bring my front sight down. Now its second nature.
 
If that is so, then why is there a slide release on every modern combat pistol? It MAY wear out eventually, just like every other part on the gun. The good news is, the slide release is probably the least expensive and easiest part to replace, and they generally drop right in.
 
Not necessarily. Ive had it happen pretty regularly with 1911's over the years when using the slide stop to release the slide, and its not necessarily the slide stop itself thats causing the issue.

I cant remember ever having the issue moving the slide to full rearward extension and releasing it.

If your slide will not go to full battery with either method, there is something wrong. This isn't a "not necessarily" situation.

If someone chooses to live with that problem, that's another story.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=2482513&postcount=14

;)
 
I have 16k rounds through an aluminum framed 1911 and 9k rounds through a steel framed 1911. I have always used the slide stop and it hasn't hurt these guns. Nor am I concerned that it ever will.
 
Thanks guys. I have heard some tactical operators really like the slingshot method, but I will stay with the slide release method as this is the way I was taught in the military and it seems faster to me. I don't really think that somehow I'll forget to hit the switch under stress.
If you are comfortable using the slide release, keep using it. You will do no harm to your handgun. I rack the slide because it's easier for me but several shooting buddies prefer to use the slide release. Do what you know, I see no reason to learn a new skill if you like the way you now do it.

To those who are saying slingshot is the only way to go, I disagree. I say do what you know best and are comfortable doing as long as it doesn't slow you down.
 
If your slide will not go to full battery with either method, there is something wrong. This isn't a "not necessarily" situation.
Ive had 1911's that would feed ball and similar profile bullets flawlessly from the slide stop, but would bobble and hang up on different types of HP's/SWC's that it might be finicky with. Didn't happen all the time, but it happens. That same ammo would chamber without issue when the slide was drawn fully to the rear and released.

All Im saying is, its not a perfect world, and my actual experience has been, the over hand release has been more reliable for me, and with anything I use, than using the slide stop. It also just simplifies the MOA across the board.

If that is so, then why is there a slide release on every modern combat pistol?
There are slide "stops" on most handguns these days, but not all of them have an external lever. The levers main purpose is to lock the slide open on empty. If you want to use it to close the slide, hey, have at it. I perfer to KISS, and keeping the MOA as close as I can across as many thigs as I can, is KISS.
 
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If that is so, then why is there a slide release on every modern combat pistol?

Which modern combat pistol manufacturer puts a slide release on their modern combat pistols? All of them have some kind of slide catch or slide stop, can't find any with a "slide release":

Sig puts a "slide catch lever" on their pistols:

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/CmsContent/documents/2SIG_ClassicMiniManual_8501154Rev01_HR.pdf

Glock puts a "slide stop lever" on their's:

http://eu.glock.com/downloads/Gen4-EN.pdf

Colt puts a "slide stop" on their's:

http://stevespages.com/pdf/colt_mkiv_series_80_&_90_pistols.pdf

The US Army also used a "slide stop" on the 1911:

http://www.m1911.org/MAINT45A.PDF

The US Army also uses a "slide stop" on their M9's:

http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/m9/M9B.PDF

Beretta puts a "slide catch" on their's:

http://www.berettausa.com/assets/39/29/92FS_Series_Manual.pdf

Springfield has a "slide stop lever" on their's:

http://www.springfield-armory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/XDManual.pdf

CZ also uses a "slide stop":

https://www.czub.cz/media/attachment/file/i/n/instruction-manual-cz-75-sp-01.pdf

Ruger puts a "slide stop" on their's:

https://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/_manuals/RugerAmericanPistol-8679320edeb0a6957.pdf
 
My Curtis 1911 has over 100,000 rounds through it, and I've only used the slide stop/release to release the slide. That gun was built around 1993-4 and has been shooting competition/practice since. It's my only competition 1911. Original slide stop and still working. The pin and the link always get a drop of oil whenever it is apart (which isn't often). Never wanting to risk the sear/notch in the hammer, the hammer is held back as the slide is released via the slide stop to go into battery, standard target shooting technique.

Stu
 
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45_auto said:
Sig puts a "slide catch lever" on their pistols:

Page 22& 23:

"4.4 Reloading During Shooting
When the last round in the magazine is expended, the slide will be locked back in
the open position by the slide catch lever.
1. Depress the magazine catch.
2. Remove the empty magazine.
Step 1
Step 2
3. Insert a loaded magazine, making sure it is engaged.
4. Release the slide by:
a. Pressing down on the slide catch lever
or,
b. Pulling back on the slide and release"

45_auto said:
Glock puts a "slide stop lever" on their's:

Glock Users Manual:
http://stevespages.com/pdf/glock.pdf

LOADING AND FIRING
1. The magazine is filled by each individual round being pushed into the magazine from the front,
with the base of the round being pressed down first against the pressure of the magazine
spring. If using the factory supplied loading support, slip support over the magazine and place
magazine on a solid surface. Hold loading support firmly and place thumb on top of loading
device: Press down loading device against tension of magazine spring and, while keeping
support down, insert a round as far as possible. While pressing round downwards, slide support
upwards (release magazine spring) and the round will slide into its rest. Repeat operation for
subsequent rounds.
2. Introduce or insert the magazine into the magazine shaft until the magazine catch engages fully
3. Pull back the slide with free hand, and allow it to spring forwards into the final position. The
trigger finger of the shooting hand remains outside the trigger guard. The weapon is now
secured and ready to fire.
4. After the last round has been fired, the slide remains open. Remove the empty magazine from
the weapon by pushing the magazine catch (19). Insert a new magazine and then either push
the slide stop lever (27) downwards (see photo)
, or pull the slide slightly backwards and allow it
to spring forwards. The weapon is now again secured and ready to fire.

45_auto said:
Colt puts a "slide stop" on their's:

That manual advises to only load the firearm with a closed slide and the hammer down...


45_auto said:
Beretta puts a "slide catch" on their's:

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-When the last round has been fired the slide remains open (Fig. 15)
-To fire again remove the empty magazine and insert a loaded one.
-Press the slide catch to close the slide and to load the chamber (Fig. 16).

45_auto said:
Springfield has a "slide stop lever" on their's:

Page 18:
5. Depress the slide stop lever to allow slide to move forward and
load a cartridge from the magazine into the chamber.


45_auto said:

You may want to read the top of page 24.

Reloading During Shooting
When the last cartridge has been fired the slide will stay to the rear. Remove the
emptied magazine and replace it with a loaded one. Thumb down the slide stop with the
shooting hand (Fig. 4), or draw back the slide with the other hand and allow it to snap
forward
(Fig. 3). The pistol is again loaded and ready to fire.




Please don't be playing a pedantic game of what is the part called vs how is it used because many of the links I checked describe the part being used as a slide release (except for Colt who doesn't want you moving the slide at all)
 
If you sling shot it, you get the full movement of the slide which has more momentum than if you use the slide stop/release. Some guns will chamber more reliably when the slide starts from as far back as mechanically possible.

I don't advocate one over the other, I merely offer the fact above. It's up to the individual, their gun, and what they feel comfortable with.

Will it damage the gun? No, as long you do it with a round in the mag. Will it wear the part sooner? I suppose, but I can't imagine it being a problem with a quality part.
 
:Sling-shot it. Proven Israeli combat technique. It's applicable to many semi-auto pistols, but especially Glocks.

Many are ignorant of how to properly do the aforesaid sling-shot technique which only puts said ignorant dudes well-behind the tactical curve ... to their mucho detriment. :eek: Study and practice can over come this.



Dude, on the two-way shooting range what you do, or did, in competition is irrelevant. When bad guys are shooting back, the Gun Shop Commando advice goes out the window. Thumbing the slide release-lever to chamber a round is Grampa's Gizzer gun technique that dates to WW1.

It's 2016. Sling-shot it. :cool:
I guess "slingshot" is the ultra tacti-cool way to chamber a round in 2016.
 
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