1911 Slide Release Don't Use?

[agtman]

I watched the entire video and saw in nice close up slow motion that he was using poor technique to hit the slide release so we can properly assume that the video is worthless for any valid comparison. I don't care how many titles or accreditations you have, if you are poking around with the tip of your thumb trying to hit the slide release you need retraining. After seating the magazine he should be continuing the upward motion with his support hand to resume the shooting grip. As he is pushing the gun out he should be thumbs forward, with the support hand thumb compressing to use it's inward side to release the slide. Pushing the gun out and bringing it into battery should be one movement, not two as we see him doing.

Dudenal, you couldn't be more wrong in your assessment, but you're still working hard at it, I see ...

By the way, your qualifications to conduct tactical pistol training, as against someone at Haley's level, are, exactly, what? ... Hmmmm?

 

[AK103K]

I did not realize that watching a youtube video can make one an expert, Dude.

Its probably still one level above internet gun board experts. At least you get to watch, and then get distracted, and see funny stuff.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

It wasn't till 68 that a FanBoy suggest getting one.

I don't own a GLOCK. Never have probably never will

 

[agtman]

I will only say this and then leave it to your tacticool mind to interpret. Haley concludes nothing like you said.

Of course he did - but your bias-prone yellow glasses prevented you from seeing that ...

He doesn't use the words gross or finer in his video.

That's true, but Haley didn't have to articulate it so precisely to make that point.
His on-camera movements in doing both types of slide drops speak for themselves - as between the "gross" motor technique of "power stroking" the slide versus the "finer/finesse" technique of thumbing-down the s.r. lever.

 

[X-Rap]

I thought everyone knew that when you slam the mag hard enough on a reload the slid releases on its own.



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[ClickClickD'oh]

Dudenal, you couldn't be more wrong in your assessment,

Okay then, what part am I wrong about? Am I wrong to say that using the tip of your thumb perpendicular to the firearm to activate the slide release is bad form? Am I wrong in my description of the proper way to do it is by using the length of the thumb while pushing the gun with a combat grip?

Something to think about while you are trying to answer that.. If you used his technique and the gun has a hammer follow, where is the round going?

By the way, your qualifications to conduct tactical pistol training, as against someone at Haley's level, are, exactly, what? ... Hmmmm?

Well, first off, the obvious. You don't need qualifications to point out someone doing something wrong. But, just to satisfy you I am actually a law enforcement pistol instructor (patrol rifle and shotgun too among other things) and have been shooting combat handguns for pay since 1995 and have been taught by Uncle Sam, a couple of polyester bag outfits and some of the best of the best in the guns for hire business.

So, before you make another post that makes you looik like a twelve year old Call of Duty Commando blurting out garbage to try to fit in when the adults are talking, try doing a simple test. Go pick up a 1911. We assume you have one since you are speaking so authoritatively in a 1911 thread. Next, get some dummy ammunition and load a magazine. Then do reloads using both the technique shown in the close up slow motion portion of the video and how I described it. Then come back and tell us which one is quicker and more authoritative.

I'll be waiting for your apology. You see, men apologize when they are wrong.. and you, you're wrong.

Oh and BTW, no one that I know with combat deployments talks in stupid video game cliches like you are doing.. and seriously, "Proven Israeli combat technique", that's the modern poser version of "Old Indian Trick". On a forum full of people who got the T-shirt, you aren't fooling anyone.

 

[lee n. field]

I have read that you aren't supposed to use the slide release lever to chamber a round when reloading with the slide locked back. I've heard this can wear down this part and ruin it

Pff! Wear it out? So what?

I had a problem with my new Rock Island GI's slide release. Bought a new one from Midway. $23. Problem fixed.

 

[Bang!]

I don't own a GLOCK. Never have probably never will

Don't know which is worse. Glocks, or Glock fan boys. I do know I can't stand Glocks. Made by Fred Flinstone down at the quarry. Just a playful jab.

OP, pick a method and start training with it.

Enjoy your new 1911. Great guns and fun to shoot.

 

[shooter1]

I return the gun to battery using both the slide stop and the slingshot method. It depends on the circumstance. If I'm at load and make ready, I slingshot the slide. As was mentioned previously, it returns the slide to a more consistent battery. If I'm doing a slide lock reload on the clock, I use the slide stop to release the slide for a faster reload. That's the only time I use the stop to release the slide.
str1

 

[tarosean]

Get a GLCK and you won't have to worry about it

your right... A by-product of such loose tolerances you dont even need to sling shot or hit the release.. Slam the mag home with authority and it will automatically return to battery.

 

[AK103K]

Slam the mag home with authority and it will automatically return to battery.

As much as Id actually like that to be the case, its not with any of mine.

I always liked my P7M13 best for ease of returning to battery. Just "squeeze".

 

[tarosean]

As much as Id actually like that to be the case, its not with any of mine.

Ive owned 10 and they all did it... * none of them were smaller than a 19

 

[AK103K]

My dozen or so nullify your 10.

No, seriously, none of my Gen 3's do it, of any size.

 

[tarosean]

My dozen or so nullify your 10.

then work on that authority part...

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I've never worn a slide stop or slide notch out by manually releasing it on any pistol I've ever owned. I can't imagine a 1911 would be any different. If anything, a slide moving rapidly back under recoil, slamming to a stop at the rear, then returning forward to be caught by the slide stop under the full pressure of the recoil spring, would cause more wear, except it doesn't. So my vote is for horse puckey.

 

[AK103K]

then work on that authority part...

LOL! Ive been doing that with a 17 for the past 10 minutes. Still nothing yet.

 

[tarosean]

LOL! Ive been doing that with a 17 for the past 10 minutes. Still nothing yet.

with a fully loaded mag?

 

[AK103K]

Thats how I usually do my reloads.

I did get it to go twice now, but I slammed the mag so hard, I was expecting the rounds to come out the top when I did it.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Re: what works best:

The old argument that using the slingshot method was a gross motor skill, while using the slide stop lever was a fine motor skill was shown to be false: they're both fine-moter skills.

According to an acquaintance who is a civilian trainer working with special ops troops at Ft Bragg, the US military changed its handgun training to use the slide release/slide stop/slide catch (or whatever in hell you want to call it) some years back.

This was due to problems in combat with slides not going fully into battery when using the slingshot method. This may be more a function of the fact that many in Afghanistan and Iraq were wearing gloves (because of cold climate or harsh terrain). It may also have been a quirk of the M9... but it's also taught when training folks to use other handguns. Using the offhand works to release the slide (several fingers pressing down on the tab after loading a mag.... you don't have to use the strong-hand thumb only.

Some advocate the hand-over method of releasing the slide, but with the M9, you can also decock the weapon doing that.

For a 1911, use whatever works best for you.

 

[mavracer]

AK103K
You need to use the slide release as a slide release that'll wear the corner just a bit and it'll make the slam the mag closes the slide work better.
I also agree on the HK "squeeze" method only mine's just a PSP.

As to the OP as others have said 1911's are designed to be used as a slide release that's why they are a large machined part and why the serations on top, it's only the guns with little flimsy stamped slide stops that you really worry about of course after they wear in a bit you can do the slam the mag and slide automaticly releases thing.

 

[AK103K]

You need to use the slide release as a slide release that'll wear the corner just a bit and it'll make the slam the mag closes the slide work better.

Thanks. I guess Ill just have to work harder at it.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

How 'bout people just chamber a round like it was designed to be chambered and call it a day?

In the end, the gun was designed to do this both ways. Choose your preferred method as you see fit and carry on smartly.

 

[200Apples]

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It is simply faster after slapping a full magazine home, when as the weak hand returns to the grip, to thumb the slide release sending the slide into battery as a new round is stripped and chambered. One can send a round downrange in the time it takes to "slingshot" the slide to chamber a round.

The only time it may be detrimental to the gun is when allowing the slide to slam into battery on an empty chamber. Something about damaging the sear?

Anyhoo... that's how I was taught.

 

[toivo]

Any time metal rubs on metal, there will be wear. How long would it take to wear down a slide stop to the point where it fails? So long that you don't need to worry about it.

OTOH, as others have said, slingshotting the slide is more "failure proof." It's easier to "get it right" under pressure. Additionally, slingshotting gives you the full power of the spring to send the slide forward; from the slide-stop position, the spring isn't fully compressed.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

OTOH, as others have said, slingshotting the slide is more "failure proof." It's easier to "get it right" under pressure. Additionally, slingshotting gives you the full power of the spring to send the slide forward; from the slide-stop position, the spring isn't fully compressed.

But it isn't more "failure proof." As noted above, the Army changed its handgun training BECAUSE it wasn't failure proof.

And you CAN get the full power of the (recoil) spring IF you release it properly. Under pressure (as in combat) that doesn't always happen. Hard to say what we might do in a self-defense situation, when many different things might be going on.

Another issue with slingshoting: if you lower the gun to grab the rear of the slide (rather than using the "hand over" method), you pull the gun away from the next intended target, etc.

In competition, which isn't combat, you don't see slingshoting used. And the civilian trainers working with Special Operators (like the fellow I mentioned earlier working with troops at Ft. Bragg) are generally folks drawn from the higher ranks of PROFESSIONAL competitors. (The best competitors are very good, but they aren't always great instructors...)