1911 Slide Release Don't Use?

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OMG, I have never seen such blathering on.

It is HIGHLY unlikely that anyone is going to "wear out" the gun by using the slide stop lever as a release. It is also highly unlikely that anyone here is going to wear out a gun period. It probably take over 50K rounds to start to wear a gun out. I don't know about you, but I don't think I have enough money to buy ammo to wear a gun out.

If people are so worried about wearing out their pistols, don't shoot them. Shooting pistols is going to wear them out.
 
OMG, I have never seen such blathering on.
It is HIGHLY unlikely that anyone is going to "wear out" the gun by using the slide stop lever as a release. It is also highly unlikely that anyone here is going to wear out a gun period. It probably take over 50K rounds to start to wear a gun out. I don't know about you, but I don't think I have enough money to buy ammo to wear a gun out.
If people are so worried about wearing out their pistols, don't shoot them. Shooting pistols is going to wear them out.
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Great blathering right there, Stchman, but you do make a good, thread-relevant point.

"Wearing out" a quality component on any well-made pistol is going to mean spending a lot of time pounding tens of thousands of rounds through it.
 
"Wearing out" a quality component on any well-made pistol is going to mean spending a lot of time pounding tens of thousands of rounds through it.
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And in the case of "most", even the MIM parts probably wont be an issue.


On the other hand...., 100,300 rounds on my Glock 17's original slide stop, and its still going strong! Never used intentionally with a downward motion either. :D


Sort of a side note here on slide stops. When I first switched to a thumbs forward grip with my P series SIG's, I was considering dremeling the folded over portion of the stop levers off, to mitigate the unintentional stoppages caused by it from inadvertent contact with my thumbs. Thought about doing the same with my Glocks there for awhile too. Its not like you need them for "down". They only really need to work on "up".
 
40 years ago or so I put some thought and range time into this. That included a couple of us standing side by side with empty locked back slide Colt in one hand and loaded mag in the other.

Seems to me that when doing an on the move reload that about the time one's hand gets onto the back of a slide to do a sling shot that the guy that used the slide stop as he shoved the mag home is getting off an aimed shot.

'nuff said.

-kBob
 
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And in the case of "most", even the MIM parts probably wont be an issue.


On the other hand...., 100,300 rounds on my Glock 17's original slide stop, and its still going strong! Never used intentionally with a downward motion either. :D


Sort of a side note here on slide stops. When I first switched to a thumbs forward grip with my P series SIG's, I was considering dremeling the folded over portion of the stop levers off, to mitigate the unintentional stoppages caused by it from inadvertent contact with my thumbs. Thought about doing the same with my Glocks there for awhile too. Its not like you need them for "down". They only really need to work on "up".
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How does one shoot 100K+ rounds through one gun?

To put that in perspective that would be 500 rounds a week (10 boxes) for almost 4 years. You must go through 9mm quite fast.
 
How does one shoot 100K+ rounds through one gun?
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I loaded the mags and pulled the trigger myself. How would you go about it? :)

300+ rounds a week on average for around 6 years now with that 17. The count is actually a little higher, as I often shoot more than once a week, depending on who stops by and my mood. 300 a week is a minimum count.

I have a 26 thats over 30,000 as well, but I quit counting with it awhile back.

These days, I load and shoot somewhere around 20000 rounds of 9mm a year.
 
Seems to me that when doing an on the move reload that about the time one's hand gets onto the back of a slide to do a sling shot that the guy that used the slide stop as he shoved the mag home is getting off an aimed shot.
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Only on the square range when you're not under stress because you're not dodging bullets ... :rolleyes:

Okay, let's try it this way: here's Travis Haley doing a compare-n-contrast session between the "thumb-the-slide-release" technique vs. the "sling-shot," or more accurately, the "power stroke" technique.

Which is more efficient? By the way, note the variety of pistol types Haley uses.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hFIsPjEXt70
 
If you watch the entire video you will note that he recommends the power stroke when in combat or competition and you are using a gun you are not familiar with. He also specifically says that the slide release is fine if you are shooting 'your' gun or a gun you are familiar with.

This video proves nothing other than what most open-minded people on this thread have been saying all along which is to use the method you like.

Why do you have to be so narrow minded, agtman? No need to feel that your way, which I acknowledge is fine, is the only way.
 
This video proves nothing other than what most open-minded people on this thread have been saying all along which is to use the method you like.
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Well, if you watched the entire video, Haley actually said he only thumbs the slide release on his pistol because he built it to his specs.

But for all other contexts, Haley concludes that the (gross) movement of the "power-stroke" technique is quicker and more efficient than the (finer) movement of finding and thumbing the s.r. lever.

Why do you have to be so narrow minded, agtman? No need to feel that your way, which I acknowledge is fine, is the only way.
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Never said the sling-shot/power-stroke was the only way. I'm fine with people watching the vid and then debating both methods.

:cool:
 
Well, if you watched the entire video...
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I watched the entire video and saw in nice close up slow motion that he was using poor technique to hit the slide release so we can properly assume that the video is worthless for any valid comparison. I don't care how many titles or accreditations you have, if you are poking around with the tip of your thumb trying to hit the slide release you need retraining. After seating the magazine he should be continuing the upward motion with his support hand to resume the shooting grip. As he is pushing the gun out he should be thumbs forward, with the support hand thumb compressing to use it's inward side to release the slide. Pushing the gun out and bringing it into battery should be one movement, not two as we see him doing.
 
Reading through this, I am happy to be blessed with two things;

1. bad technique (so I can blame breakage on it)

2. The ongoing need to modify my guns (so I can tell the wife that potential breakage is why I just bought a $30 stainless steel slide stop)
 
With all the carrying on, I hope everyone is actually getting in some regular and realistic practice to benefit from, whatever it is they choose so its a not issue.

From what I see at the range and how people shoot, getting to slide lock is probably going to be pretty iffy for many, and if they do, from many of the reports Ive seen from people on the different gun boards, they probably arent carrying a reload anyway, so whats it matter how you get the slide closed?
 
agtman,

I have only been shooting 1911's since 1968, been shot at and missed and **** at and hit in the service of my country, done a few shooting schools and shot a bit of man on man steel and various movement courses against the clock.

Train the way you mean to fight and you will fight that way.

How about you sling shot all you want and I do it my way? How about we both let folks think about it and try and see what works for each of them?

How about if we do this like gentlemen without making assumptions about folks we have never met?

-kBob
 
I missed it, did we really go 3 pages on a 1911 thread before someone suggested Glock!?!

How is that even possible?
 
But for all other contexts, Haley concludes that the (gross) movement of the "power-stroke" technique is quicker and more efficient than the (finer) movement of finding and thumbing the s.r. lever.
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Sigh... I tell my kids to never argue with an Internet Gecko45 because he will drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience. I will only say this and then leave it to your tacticool mind to interpret. Haley concludes nothing like you said. He doesn't use the words gross or finer in his video. Oh, wait, you have left those words in parenthesis, I guess that means that you are reading (or controlling) is mind. My bad...
 
NVM, I was wrong, Glock was mentioned in response 6,11,40, & 53.

It wasn't till 68 that a FanBoy suggest getting one.

Maybe thats a record.
 
Cooldill my young friend, dont overthink it.
I have used 1911's since 1964. As a civilian, soldier and cop. I just hit the release and slam it home.
If you need to reload a second mag on a two way range you got bigger problems than worrying about wear.
Train like you fight.
 
I have only been shooting 1911's since 1968, been shot at and missed and **** at and hit in the service of my country, done a few shooting schools * * *
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kBob: in all seriousness, I want to thank you for your service to our country. I always say this to our vets. All of you are heroes. Again, thank you.
 
I find depressing the slide stop somewhat faster, and there's no concern about wearing anything out. Works for me.
 
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I used the slide release on four different 1911s for many years in competition and never wore one out or had to replace one.

Dude, on the two-way shooting range what you do, or did, in competition is irrelevant. When bad guys are shooting back, the Gun Shop Commando advice goes out the window. Thumbing the slide release-lever to chamber a round is Grampa's Gizzer gun technique that dates to WW1.

It's 2016. Sling-shot it.
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I spent years on the range perfecting my shooting and reloading for competition and know what works very well for me. I did not realize that watching a youtube video can make one an expert, Dude.
 
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