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5 shots for a 400 lb hog?
Last year an 8 year old kid took a 380 lb pig with a .410 slug, 1 shot. Seriously, no BS.
Last year an 8 year old kid took a 380 lb pig with a .410 slug, 1 shot. Seriously, no BS.
.270 Winchester VS 7.62x54r - for elk
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frankenstein406
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A guy brought in a elk his son shoot at about 400 yards and had no problems.
Cob
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It was a big boar, had thick shoulder plates. Maybe he would have went down after the first shot, but he sure kept walking as if un affected. I aimed and pulled the trigger a couple more times, just to be on the safe side. I'm sure he would have eaten a person if he could have found them asleep. It took a front end loader to move him. (the attached pic is not the same pig,friend from south FL sent him to me..., but close in size). As i said earlier, in FL the hogs make the bears look small. I suspect an elk would be a little bigger than a hog, and i would not want to taek any chances... I'm sure i could kill one with a .22 lr with good shot placement, maybe even a sling shot, or high power air rifle of right quality... But have limited it to the 2 choices listed.
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Cob,
The hog in the above picture was shot in Australia I'm guessing? You just don't see to many Toyota Land Cruiser flat bed pick ups in the good old USA. If you shot a hog that size in Florida I'd sure like to see a picture of it.....
The hog in the above picture was shot in Australia I'm guessing? You just don't see to many Toyota Land Cruiser flat bed pick ups in the good old USA. If you shot a hog that size in Florida I'd sure like to see a picture of it.....
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I killed the big hog at a place called Bienville Plantation, in Hamilton Co. FL. An active mining operation owned mineral rights on land maintained for years with a high-fence operation in place that had a mixture of exotic game animals in it, including Axis Deer, Sitka Deer, Fallow Deer, Whitetail deer, and Russian Wild Boar...
The high fence had to be removed due to the PCS Phosphate active mining operations moving in, and FL FWC mandated that all exotics had to be gone by a specified date. I got an invitation to help "clean out the pen", about 30 days before it was scheduled to come down,(brother in law worked for mining company and informed me about it) and I took the hog at no charge. I have several pictures that were taken, but the pics are of poor quality due to no flash on the camera. I'll post them when i get back to office tomorrow. you can't tell much detail except it's bigger than i am.
As the fence was being taken down, the loader operator swears he saw a small sitka doe disappear onto the adjacent property. i always wondered just what might have escaped.
The high fence had to be removed due to the PCS Phosphate active mining operations moving in, and FL FWC mandated that all exotics had to be gone by a specified date. I got an invitation to help "clean out the pen", about 30 days before it was scheduled to come down,(brother in law worked for mining company and informed me about it) and I took the hog at no charge. I have several pictures that were taken, but the pics are of poor quality due to no flash on the camera. I'll post them when i get back to office tomorrow. you can't tell much detail except it's bigger than i am.
As the fence was being taken down, the loader operator swears he saw a small sitka doe disappear onto the adjacent property. i always wondered just what might have escaped.
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Unless hogs stand near horse height at the shoulder, Elk are much bigger in physical size than a hog.
Elk= Horse with antlers.
So wait, you buddy shot that hog or just sent you the picture?
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Buddy sent me the picture... claims he was there when it was shot, but he's been known to exagerate... I liked it none the less, and saved it.
The pic of the hog i harvested is in the attached picture. I took over a dozen pix with a cheapo camera with no flash. The hog is suspended with a front end loader on a JD tractor, and was big. There are truck lights shining for light, and it came out terribly. I probably should not even have posted it, but best that i had - you are looking at him suspended by back legs, and fron shoulder with "pads" is what is lighter colored... his front feet are protruding away from me. never weighed him, but I'm 200 lbs, and he was easliy twice my weight. This is the about the only animal that ever made me question the .270 win, to date.
The pic of the hog i harvested is in the attached picture. I took over a dozen pix with a cheapo camera with no flash. The hog is suspended with a front end loader on a JD tractor, and was big. There are truck lights shining for light, and it came out terribly. I probably should not even have posted it, but best that i had - you are looking at him suspended by back legs, and fron shoulder with "pads" is what is lighter colored... his front feet are protruding away from me. never weighed him, but I'm 200 lbs, and he was easliy twice my weight. This is the about the only animal that ever made me question the .270 win, to date.
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If I had a scope on my Mosin I wouldn't have any hesitation about using it beyond 300 yds. Like I said before mine is really accurate with just the iron sights the only thing holding back mine past 150-200 yds. is my eyes! I do love the .270win. caliber it's great because if I am with someone and they don't want to shoot the Mosin I hand them The .270win. and I don't have to worry about them missing their target. ( I think the fireballs coming out of the Mosin is what scares them or due to the fact it was built in the 1940's and they think it's going to blow apart when they fire it.)-- personally I think they have a better chance of spontaneously combusting than that rifle blowing up!
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No, He was in Immokalee, FL. He sent it to me about three years ago... I have seen one almost as big as that since living in FL, but he was walking around a pen, not hanging. If i knew how, i could post a video of hog walking around a pic-nic area, hog was the the size of a small cow. A man drove up and shot the hog at 6' range with a 12 gauge with #7 bird shot (all he had), and the hog walked off virtually un-phased. It occurred on Twin Rivers State Forest, (part of the area i work), and a co-worker took the video as a bystander. The hog was more black, domesticated looking, and in this area, hybrid domestic/ hogs seem to be common, & seem to get bigger than the regular piney woods rooters.
i can't really say if it was shot in Australia or FL, but the point was I suspect an elk is bigger than Most HOGS, but there are HOGS IN FL BIGGER than the AVERAGE ELK
http://snopes.com/photos/animals/bighog.asp
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It's not the size of the hog rather the Toyota FJ 70 series truck that it's hanging from. They are not imported nor have they ever been imported into the USA. They don't meet EPA or DOT regulations and are almost impossible to legally import. If there were 50 of them in the US I'd be shocked.
Given that, there is a slim to zero chance that hog was shot in the USA. As far as the size of hogs goes. Yeah there might be a few truly wild hogs running around the state of Florida that weigh more than your average elk. A cow being 350 to 500 lbs and a bull being 700 to 900 lbs, 900 being an absolute whopper. But they are extremely few and far between. Now there are most likely a bunch of pen raised put and release hogs that will go 500 + lbs but wild hog don't tend to get that big as a rule.
I've killed hundreds and hundreds of Feral hogs in Texas and a big mature boar will weigh under 300 lbs generally speaking. Once you get over 300 lbs you are talking about a true monster as wild hogs don't carry extra meat and fat like a pen raised hog does. They are thin and athletic and carry very little body fat in comparison to a pen raised porker.
Given that, there is a slim to zero chance that hog was shot in the USA. As far as the size of hogs goes. Yeah there might be a few truly wild hogs running around the state of Florida that weigh more than your average elk. A cow being 350 to 500 lbs and a bull being 700 to 900 lbs, 900 being an absolute whopper. But they are extremely few and far between. Now there are most likely a bunch of pen raised put and release hogs that will go 500 + lbs but wild hog don't tend to get that big as a rule.
I've killed hundreds and hundreds of Feral hogs in Texas and a big mature boar will weigh under 300 lbs generally speaking. Once you get over 300 lbs you are talking about a true monster as wild hogs don't carry extra meat and fat like a pen raised hog does. They are thin and athletic and carry very little body fat in comparison to a pen raised porker.
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Use the Winchester, I will never own a Nagant unless they get cheaper, or I am given one..
I don't even like the .270 caliber, but use it..
I don't even like the .270 caliber, but use it..
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As much of a 7.62 fan as I am I think I'd opt for the .270 unless the Mosin Nagant shoots so much better that it would be foolish not to use it. Put a scope on the Mosin and take both rifles out to the range multiple times.
One day start with the .270, cold, at 300 Yards. The next day start with the Mosin at 300 Yards. Keep doing things like this, and switching which gun you start with, not neglecting the 100 Yard and 400 Yard targets. Do this enough and you will know which gun you should take.
For me it's a choice between the .243 and the .308. Both work well for elk in my opinion. If I really want to play I'll get a .300 Win Mag out.
BikerRN
One day start with the .270, cold, at 300 Yards. The next day start with the Mosin at 300 Yards. Keep doing things like this, and switching which gun you start with, not neglecting the 100 Yard and 400 Yard targets. Do this enough and you will know which gun you should take.
For me it's a choice between the .243 and the .308. Both work well for elk in my opinion. If I really want to play I'll get a .300 Win Mag out.
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I spent many years hunting with the .270 and have no doubt about it's proficiency for big game. I've killed bear, elk, deer, and antelope with the same bullet. When I first began hunting with the .270 in the early 1980s I hand loaded using the Speer 130 grain Hot Core BT. My most memorable kill with this combination was a bull elk in which my only shot was from the rear, not a desired shot placement. The bullet followed the entire spinal colum from the butt, to just the base of the neck. When I recovered the bullet and had cleaned it up, I had a well mushroomed 117 grain bullet.
So my choice is clearly the .270 win. hands down. But if all I had was the 7.62x54r I would have complete confidence in it's ability to drop just about anything, especially if it is that rediculous long barreled Nagant. I think that is the M94/31 or something like that. Those are a high velocity long range shooter from what I've heard.
So my choice is clearly the .270 win. hands down. But if all I had was the 7.62x54r I would have complete confidence in it's ability to drop just about anything, especially if it is that rediculous long barreled Nagant. I think that is the M94/31 or something like that. Those are a high velocity long range shooter from what I've heard.
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It's a 91/30 ... I glassbedded the 7.62 x 54 action with probed 2000 from midway, it was my first time, and turned out nice. I still don't have the confidence in it that i do the .270
I thought it was a funky lookin little pickup too. Here's the pig.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,523821,00.html?test=latestnews
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Thanks for posting that link. It's definitely a large pig... Sort of glad to know it didn't come from FL., I wasn't trying to mis-lead, but fell for the hoax, as i received it.
The biggest one that i have seen was at a place called Suwannee River Ranch, in Branford, FL - It's a 350 acre ranch where animals are brought in & raised, then sold to the local "hunting" market, generally from the big cities south of here.
http://www.suwanneeriverranch.com/
All of the guts, bones, and scrap meat left over from the "hunts" are discarded into a large tub on the back side of the property.(remains of buffalo, axis deer, other hogs, elk, goats, etc...) A huge gray hog was thriving on the mess, and weighed well over 1200 lbs. That animal was one of the most extreme, biggest , almost evil lookng creatures i have ever seen. Death seemed to just be a part of him, and he was huge. There is no doubt that he would have eaten me or you given the chance. I believe he would have devoured anything.
and was "as big" or bigger than the one previously posted from Australia... I know they exist, which is why the "hoax" was so easily and readily believable.
The biggest one that i have seen was at a place called Suwannee River Ranch, in Branford, FL - It's a 350 acre ranch where animals are brought in & raised, then sold to the local "hunting" market, generally from the big cities south of here.
http://www.suwanneeriverranch.com/
All of the guts, bones, and scrap meat left over from the "hunts" are discarded into a large tub on the back side of the property.(remains of buffalo, axis deer, other hogs, elk, goats, etc...) A huge gray hog was thriving on the mess, and weighed well over 1200 lbs. That animal was one of the most extreme, biggest , almost evil lookng creatures i have ever seen. Death seemed to just be a part of him, and he was huge. There is no doubt that he would have eaten me or you given the chance. I believe he would have devoured anything.
and was "as big" or bigger than the one previously posted from Australia... I know they exist, which is why the "hoax" was so easily and readily believable.
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