How i Judge right fire power for pocket carry, the pit bull dog rule.
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I love my pits, but instead of singeling out a breed how about we just say a loose dog. Report the idiot(s) for having loose dogs first, try pepper spray as a medium. If they are on your property attacking, shoot em' if it's legal. The ASPCA may file charges against you, so know your laws first. You can't expect the law to work in your favor if you don't follow a logical legal path.
It might be better to give the owner a free trip behind the tool shed for a can of whooA&&
It might be better to give the owner a free trip behind the tool shed for a can of whooA&&
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I know...I know. Off topic and hi-jack. I'll delete it in a few.
Here, my Pit is about to be mauled by a vicious killer identified only as "The Yorkshire Slasher." He feints and moves in...bobbing and weaving.
Just after this one was snapped, we had to intervene, or death would have been certain...
Here, my Pit is about to be mauled by a vicious killer identified only as "The Yorkshire Slasher." He feints and moves in...bobbing and weaving.
Just after this one was snapped, we had to intervene, or death would have been certain...
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Yea - we should really just say vicious dog - no matter the breed. I was attacked by a Doberman when I was a kid and it freaked me out. Luckily he only ripped my pants. I was on a bike and was able to haul it out of there before he got a good grip.
I find that most vicious dog attacks are because the males are not neutered. Huge difference in temperment. I keep pepper spray on me when I jog and my head on a swivel. Dogs can come out of no where it seems - if your not looking.
I find that most vicious dog attacks are because the males are not neutered. Huge difference in temperment. I keep pepper spray on me when I jog and my head on a swivel. Dogs can come out of no where it seems - if your not looking.
I've got an american bulldog and a german shepard mix, both female, both spayed... and I hate... HATE hearing people generalize breeds with statements about "your pit" or "your germanshepard"...
FWIW... In general, I think people with the smaller 5-15lb dogs are FAR more careless owners than anyone with a "big" dog (over 50lbs). People think tiny dogs are just "soo cute... awww.." when they get all excited and rowdy and even nip, because they are TINY and it doesnt actually hurt you.
Why not think of your dog like your gun... Keep full control over it all the time, no matter if you have a 22lr Ruger plinker, or a Desert Eagle... A 4lb chihuahua or a 140lb Rotty...
FWIW... In general, I think people with the smaller 5-15lb dogs are FAR more careless owners than anyone with a "big" dog (over 50lbs). People think tiny dogs are just "soo cute... awww.." when they get all excited and rowdy and even nip, because they are TINY and it doesnt actually hurt you.
Why not think of your dog like your gun... Keep full control over it all the time, no matter if you have a 22lr Ruger plinker, or a Desert Eagle... A 4lb chihuahua or a 140lb Rotty...
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I agree with BRad.
I've got one German Shepherd that is a total dork, and one that I don't trust as far as I can throw him. Both have been treated nicely, but the weird one is just unpredictable.
I've got one German Shepherd that is a total dork, and one that I don't trust as far as I can throw him. Both have been treated nicely, but the weird one is just unpredictable.
easyg
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I have to agree.
I just don't understand dog owners who think it's okay to let their dog have free reign over the entire neighborhood.
If you truly love your dog, then keep it inside the house, or inside the fence, or on a leash.
It's that simple.
I also practice what I preach....
rattletrap1970
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I've seen all kinds of dogs "just go nuts". My uncle had a Doberman that was always nice as could be, until it bit him in the face. My other uncle had a big German Shepard that made a bee line across the yard and "rag dolled" my left leg when I was 7. Both were put down. On the flip side A friend has a female pit that I believe was a rescue and really is a rather nice dog. You just never know with dogs, so best to be ever vigilant and responsible.
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Yep. I was at the park with my kids this weekend when a couple showed up and turned their pit bulls loose. I decided it was best to avoid an ugly confrontation. It was close to lunch and we had been there an hour just to kill time, so I decided to leave.
The male of the duo acted in a typical fashion for someone who acts carelessly and responded that not all pit bulls are bad, in a narcissistic tone. I nodded in agreement and added that on that same token, no dog owner thinks their dog will attack a child until it actually happens which is why responsible adults keep any dog on a leash when in public.
At this point my young son asked "Daddy, are you going to have to shoot his dog, too?" Yeah, a guy in the neighborhood let two nasty pitbulls loose quite often. I was forced to dispatch one that was displaying aggressive behavior with my 1911 commander carry piece. I called animal control several times in the past, and I refused to make my children be prisoners in their own house (again) so I handled it myself. Turns out that the neighbors were "away for a weekend getaway." I left a nice note telling them what happened and where their dog was buried. Now they own a fence for the remaining dogs and nothing was ever said about that incident.
My kids have a tiny, obese, older chihuahua. In his old age, he has developed quite the temper. Much of it has to do with his hips causing issues. I don't trust him around other kids at all. He definitely has to stay on a leash. He may be little, but his old, cranky self can draw blood with a bite to a little one. He even has to stay in another room while my kids have friends over.
The comment about the Rot taking a long nap is right, but it all comes back to the owner... You wouldn't recklessly control your gun, so why recklessly "control" your dog? regardless of size...
It makes me very sad to hear about people being reckless with pits... but I'm glad you stepped up to protect your kids!
It makes me very sad to hear about people being reckless with pits... but I'm glad you stepped up to protect your kids!
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rattletrap1970 said:
That must have been a traumatic experience! Hell if that were me I'd have some sort of grudge against dogs, but thankfully I've never been around aggressive dogs except when I was LEO...Needless to say, I don't know when or where I may meet that one mean dog, therefore I will be ever so vigilant.
That must have been a traumatic experience! Hell if that were me I'd have some sort of grudge against dogs, but thankfully I've never been around aggressive dogs except when I was LEO...Needless to say, I don't know when or where I may meet that one mean dog, therefore I will be ever so vigilant.
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Ever notice how all the dogs who attack and maim people are always beloved family member who have "never done that before"? I would despise having to kill someones pet. I have a big ol' lab staring at me across the room as I am typing, but I loathe irresponsible owners.
Dog escape from time to time, my lab has tried to hogans heros tunnel under the fence a few times. I can't fault an owner for something like that but those who just turn them lose and hope for the best...the dog's death is the owners fault not the dogs. We have a neighbor who loves to let his golden run free. Says it is harmless, he has had it behind his fence since the day it decided to run up my driveway snarling at my little girl (very unusual for a golden), only to get me in its face with a baseball bat.
After chasing it down my driveway and explaining to it's owner that he's lucky I did not just shoot it, he got the point. I love dogs, but I am not going to ever let one hurt my kids.
Dog escape from time to time, my lab has tried to hogans heros tunnel under the fence a few times. I can't fault an owner for something like that but those who just turn them lose and hope for the best...the dog's death is the owners fault not the dogs. We have a neighbor who loves to let his golden run free. Says it is harmless, he has had it behind his fence since the day it decided to run up my driveway snarling at my little girl (very unusual for a golden), only to get me in its face with a baseball bat.
After chasing it down my driveway and explaining to it's owner that he's lucky I did not just shoot it, he got the point. I love dogs, but I am not going to ever let one hurt my kids.
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I had a yorkie named Mousse as he is as little as a mouse when I got him. He will not bark, he will not jump on you, and will not bother you if you left him alone. However, if you try to pet him while moving your hand towards his face, he will bite you faster than you could say, "awww, what a cute doggie!" I nicknamed him "Piranha." I miss him as he passed away 3 years ago.
Sometimes it's the owner, sometimes it's the dog. But it's the owner who should know the dog's character and take appropriate measures to ensure the safety of all concerned.
Sometimes it's the owner, sometimes it's the dog. But it's the owner who should know the dog's character and take appropriate measures to ensure the safety of all concerned.
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As I type this my neighbors beautiful English Springer Spaniel is sitting outside my front door. The owners let her run loose on a regular basis. She is the sweetest most loving dog you'd want to meet, I'd hate to see something happen to her because of her irresponsible owners.
I won't shoot her though - Roscoe, my attack russell terrorist, would never forgive me as he has the hots for her...
I won't shoot her though - Roscoe, my attack russell terrorist, would never forgive me as he has the hots for her...
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Growing up there was a crossbreeding between coyotes and an abandoned collie dog(male) in my area. The pups had their mothers' aggressiveness and no fear of people from the sire. Luckily that particular pack was hunted to destruction in a short time and there were few injuries.
IdahoLT1
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People make generalizations because of experiences or statistics. I use to like pitbulls.
My buddy had two pitbulls that always were nice. About a year ago, the female snapped(we assume jealousy: they were all sleeping next to each other the previous night) one afternoon and attacked my buddies sisters albino doberman. The doberman pinned the female on the ground and the male pitbull jumped on its back. The dogs were then seperated by my buddies rather big father. The male pitbull was unscathed, the female a few scratches. The Doberman had 3 operations and a $4500 vet bill before the vet stopped charging. A softball size chunk of flesh was ripped out of the dobermans back and its front legs were hamburged from the female pit on the bottom biting.
Again, generalizations arent always true but there is usually some fact behind them. Ive seen far too many videos and read far to many stories of one specific breed attacking/maiming/killing innocent people/pets. Either there is a problem with the breed or the majority of the breeds owners shouldnt own one.
My buddy had two pitbulls that always were nice. About a year ago, the female snapped(we assume jealousy: they were all sleeping next to each other the previous night) one afternoon and attacked my buddies sisters albino doberman. The doberman pinned the female on the ground and the male pitbull jumped on its back. The dogs were then seperated by my buddies rather big father. The male pitbull was unscathed, the female a few scratches. The Doberman had 3 operations and a $4500 vet bill before the vet stopped charging. A softball size chunk of flesh was ripped out of the dobermans back and its front legs were hamburged from the female pit on the bottom biting.
Again, generalizations arent always true but there is usually some fact behind them. Ive seen far too many videos and read far to many stories of one specific breed attacking/maiming/killing innocent people/pets. Either there is a problem with the breed or the majority of the breeds owners shouldnt own one.
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A neighbor had his little fancy breed cocker spaniel attacked a month or so back as he was walking the neighborhood. Two pits somehow got loose from a yard and surprised them as he stopped to talk with someone. He and another person on that street luckily were able to separate them by beating on the pits with yard tools.. The pit's owner came out and begged the guy not to call the police or report the incident, because "it would be the third incident". It was reported, and the little spaniel made it after some vet work...I have walked my daughter and our rotty in that neighborhood, and near that house. Not boasting, and I hope and pray it never happens, but I'll say this...If they or any other dogs attack me or mine, I won't be thinking about how much the dogs owners love the dogs, or if they're like family to them...I'll do the rest of the neighborhood a favor, and put the dogs on "time-out". I don't allow my dog to become an unprovoked threat to innocent people or animals, and I won't be subjected to that either.
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This thread makes me ponder...What would be the justified outcome if a large, aggressive dog was charging/actively attacking YOUR dog? Would you deploy the same lethal force options you would use on people on the dogs to save your beloved pet? What kind of legal troubles would lie ahead if such an event were to happen?
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ChCx2744:
In most states, you'd have to be prepared to show that deadly force was needed to protect a human, IMHO/IANAL....
However, if you shoot an attacking dog, it's a civil matter most of the time, and while not fun, may be survivable. Shooting the dog's owner/handler would likely be a very serious issue unless you could show that he was employing the dog to attack you (or a family member, etc.). Probably wouldn't fly if it was a small dog, or his dog was attacking yours.
I wouldn't want my little JRT to bite anybody I liked - he thinks he's a 200# Rott, and probably could really mess somebody up. 23#.... My daughter's boyfriend has one shepherd and two more that could be ("pound puppies") - all three could be very dangerous. The fourth is a Border Collie of some kind - she's of the "don't bother me" variety
. My daughter's cats also live there, and insofar as a small "tiger" cat is concerned, might be more dangerous.... (The other cat, Duke, is afraid of everything.)
Regards,
In most states, you'd have to be prepared to show that deadly force was needed to protect a human, IMHO/IANAL....
However, if you shoot an attacking dog, it's a civil matter most of the time, and while not fun, may be survivable. Shooting the dog's owner/handler would likely be a very serious issue unless you could show that he was employing the dog to attack you (or a family member, etc.). Probably wouldn't fly if it was a small dog, or his dog was attacking yours.
I wouldn't want my little JRT to bite anybody I liked - he thinks he's a 200# Rott, and probably could really mess somebody up. 23#.... My daughter's boyfriend has one shepherd and two more that could be ("pound puppies") - all three could be very dangerous. The fourth is a Border Collie of some kind - she's of the "don't bother me" variety
. My daughter's cats also live there, and insofar as a small "tiger" cat is concerned, might be more dangerous.... (The other cat, Duke, is afraid of everything.)Regards,
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If I couldn't get it stopped with normal dog controlling means and/or without jeopardizing myself...Yes. Without blinking.
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IdahoLT1...That's the thing with Pits. When they decide to go on theoffensive, they're not playing. It's not a matter of doggie chest thumping or simply establishing dominance. They're completely serious about it...and it goes back to what they were bred to do for so many years. A Pit in a fight...in the dog's mind...is literally fighting for his life, even if he initiated it, or seems to have initiated it. The other dog may be the actual aggressor that the Pit picks up on through subtle clues that we miss...and responds accordingly. It's an instinctive survival mechanism, and trying to train it out of them is like trying to train a Border Collie to stop herding.
Pits are great dogs. I have two myself, and there was only one altercation between the male and my big male Lab. There was an argument over who was king of the hill once...and he lunged at Jake with all he had. Big Jake quickly weaned him from his aspirations, and there have been no further problems. The little female that I took in abandoned and starving as a puppy about a year ago literally backs down from the Chihuahua. She's shown zero indications of aggression toward anybody or anything, though she is a little wary of strangers until they've given her the mandatory belly rub.
She's pictured in a previous post doing one of about 5 daily romps with her little pal.
Pits are great dogs. I have two myself, and there was only one altercation between the male and my big male Lab. There was an argument over who was king of the hill once...and he lunged at Jake with all he had. Big Jake quickly weaned him from his aspirations, and there have been no further problems. The little female that I took in abandoned and starving as a puppy about a year ago literally backs down from the Chihuahua. She's shown zero indications of aggression toward anybody or anything, though she is a little wary of strangers until they've given her the mandatory belly rub.
She's pictured in a previous post doing one of about 5 daily romps with her little pal.
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