Officers'Wife
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What he said! At last the voice of reason!
How i Judge right fire power for pocket carry, the pit bull dog rule.
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What he said! At last the voice of reason!
1911Tuner
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Now then...This one has started listing to port, and the responses are becoming a bit too emotional, as these Dog Shoot threads tend to do. If it escalates into a brawl with resultant infighting, it will be closed in order to keep some of the responders from crossing the line. So...Present your arguments, but pull your punches.
BlisteringSilence
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*I* didn't escalate anything. I showed up to a scene, interviewed the suspects and victims, wrote my tickets, and took one of the suspects to jail. The fact that the two of them had been drinking all morning likely influenced my decision.
From there on out, it's up to lawyers and judges.
I can't speak to the laws of Texas, only the laws of Arkansas. If that had happened here, I doubt that I would have written the farmer for keeping a dangerous animal, but I really can't say without having been there.
What he said (and I guess I implied)
I've never thought to try that. I would imagine that it would work great, but that can's a little big to fit in my belt.
1911Tuner
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People have used walking sticks for centuries. They had a purpose in the Middle Ages, and they still do...and it wasn't to make the walker look all chic and continental. They were defensive devices, often used against dogs or even wolves...and they were effective in that role.
Improvise! Adapt! Overcome! (Fanny pack)
A stream of hornet spray will remove all aspirations of attack from dog or man like right now. It's also useful against the occasional Yellow Jacket nest. (aka Native Killer Bees.)
Improvise! Adapt! Overcome! (Fanny pack)
A stream of hornet spray will remove all aspirations of attack from dog or man like right now. It's also useful against the occasional Yellow Jacket nest. (aka Native Killer Bees.)
Officers'Wife
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Just keep in mind that the use of insecticides for any use other than label instructions is a violation of federal law.
BlisteringSilence
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Somehow I just don't see the Sheriff accepting that as an excuse or explanation as to why I have the value sized (4 more oz free!) can of hornet killer tucked into a fanny pack attached to my duty (bat) belt.
SMMAssociates
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Tuner:
I think BlisteringSilence is channeling you....
My question too - it's a little harder than a little cannister of OC clipped to your sweats or whatever.... (Guess I could get Sammy to carry it?)
BTW I finally found that missing Sam Browne and the original CS can I bought about 40 years ago. The PD guys got 'em issued but us rent-a-cops had to go get our own and do enough paperwork to buy Class III gear.... I put the stuff away about 20 years ago and.... (I haven't been on the road since flintlocks went out of style.)
(The CS can seals have apparently survived. Otherwise I doubt if I could have opened the box this stuff was stored in.)
Regards
I think BlisteringSilence is channeling you....
My question too - it's a little harder than a little cannister of OC clipped to your sweats or whatever.... (Guess I could get Sammy to carry it?)
BTW I finally found that missing Sam Browne and the original CS can I bought about 40 years ago. The PD guys got 'em issued but us rent-a-cops had to go get our own and do enough paperwork to buy Class III gear.... I put the stuff away about 20 years ago and.... (I haven't been on the road since flintlocks went out of style.)
(The CS can seals have apparently survived. Otherwise I doubt if I could have opened the box this stuff was stored in.)
Regards
In regards to walking with a stick for protection, there is an older asian couple (prally 60's or older) that walks our neighborhood daily. It seems I cant go to work, come home from work, or go get a late night snack without seeing them. And the man ALWAYS has a 3' rod of some sort with him... He doesnt use it as a can, he doesnt swing it in time with his stride... he just "has" it with him, and i have NO doubt that if someone tried to confront him or his wife, they would end up with several dislocations and broken bones...
That really doesnt fit the overall conversation here, so here's a pic of my bulldog...
That really doesnt fit the overall conversation here, so here's a pic of my bulldog...
1911Tuner
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Why would you be required to explain or justify it? Great Britain may have restrictions in place for possession of common household items...but as far as I know, there's no law against carrying insect killer in the US of A.
Good lookin' pup ya got there, Brad.
BlisteringSilence
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1911Tuner
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I'm still puzzled. Why would he care? Is there a law in your jurisdiction against the possession of insect spray? I'd think that if you discovered a more effective means of controlling an aggressive dog than firing your weapon, he'd be all for it...especially if it doesn't come out of his department's budget.
1911Tuner
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OT for a sec...
All this Pitbull hate is a caution.
Many...if not most people...can't even reliably identify an American Staffordshire Terrier on sight.
Case in point:
Several years ago, whilst lounging in the springtime sun with a lovely statuesque lady...a man and his equally lovely female companion walked up from behind us with two beautiful brindle colored dogs on-leash. Another couple grew noticeably agitated over the folks bringing "Vicious Pitbulls" into a public area. This, in spite of the dogs exhibiting perfect behavior and good manners.
I told them that they weren't Pitbulls. They were Argentine Dogos. (Dogo Argentino) It didn't matter.
"Well...They look like Pitbulls, so they're probably vicious."
Another couple in another park several months later did have a pair of actual Pits.
As expected...onlookers were nervous, and voiced their displeasure at having the monsters in their midst.
I approached the couple and asked if I could interact with the dogs. It wasn't really necessary, because upon my arrival, they both began to roll around and act like puppies...vying for my attention and being completely submissive. Then, a pair of children approached, and the dogs got completely goofy. I walked away, leaving the kids to play with the dogs and the protestors with blank expressions on their faces.
Point? Don't assume that a Pitbull's presence automatically means that an attack is iminent. Don't assume that because the dog is anything other than a Pitbull, you can assume that you're safe. Meanest damn dog I ever met was a Cocker Spaniel.
All this Pitbull hate is a caution.
Many...if not most people...can't even reliably identify an American Staffordshire Terrier on sight.
Case in point:
Several years ago, whilst lounging in the springtime sun with a lovely statuesque lady...a man and his equally lovely female companion walked up from behind us with two beautiful brindle colored dogs on-leash. Another couple grew noticeably agitated over the folks bringing "Vicious Pitbulls" into a public area. This, in spite of the dogs exhibiting perfect behavior and good manners.
I told them that they weren't Pitbulls. They were Argentine Dogos. (Dogo Argentino) It didn't matter.
"Well...They look like Pitbulls, so they're probably vicious."
Another couple in another park several months later did have a pair of actual Pits.
As expected...onlookers were nervous, and voiced their displeasure at having the monsters in their midst.
I approached the couple and asked if I could interact with the dogs. It wasn't really necessary, because upon my arrival, they both began to roll around and act like puppies...vying for my attention and being completely submissive. Then, a pair of children approached, and the dogs got completely goofy. I walked away, leaving the kids to play with the dogs and the protestors with blank expressions on their faces.
Point? Don't assume that a Pitbull's presence automatically means that an attack is iminent. Don't assume that because the dog is anything other than a Pitbull, you can assume that you're safe. Meanest damn dog I ever met was a Cocker Spaniel.
chains1240
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Ok, I will jump in. Pitbulls ARE aggressive dogs by nature, towards other dogs. A pitbull that is aggressive towards humans has not been raised correctly and the dog needs to be taken out of the gene pool. Aggressiveness towards humans is not a desirable trait for a true pitbull. The problem is not the dog, it is the owner. Unfortunately the only thing we can do is ban pitbulls and not Sh!* for brains humans that want to own them as a status symbol of their lacking manhood. I carry OC spray for ALL dogs in my cruddy neighborhood. The pistol is just back up in case a dog gets it's teeth on me. *Rant Off*
1911Tuner
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Chains is correct. Pits are not human-aggressive by nature, and won't attack unprovoked unless specifically taught to do so...and not even that works with all of them. Some simply will not attack a human being unless severely provoked or in self defense. They will, however, aggressively defend their pack/family against a perceived threat...and that's where the trouble begins. When a Pit goes on the attack, he's completely serious about it. Their intent is not to simply drive off the threat. Their intent is to eliminate it so there won't be any future problems. So...If you see a Pit with a family...especially if there are children present...keep a respectful distance.
So gentle and docile that the breed was once known as "The Nanny Dog" because people trusted them with their children...both to protect and to keep them out of mischief and harm's way...its instinct to stand its ground and fight has been abused in recent times by irresponsible and criminal breeders, owners, and handlers.
The other problem is greed-driven inbreeding. It has served to ruin the bloodline and the reputation of one of the truly great dog breeds. Very sad.
So gentle and docile that the breed was once known as "The Nanny Dog" because people trusted them with their children...both to protect and to keep them out of mischief and harm's way...its instinct to stand its ground and fight has been abused in recent times by irresponsible and criminal breeders, owners, and handlers.
The other problem is greed-driven inbreeding. It has served to ruin the bloodline and the reputation of one of the truly great dog breeds. Very sad.
Erik M
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I prefer 150+ grain hard cast wadcutters in .357. Out of the 6" barrel of my GP100 Id trust that load to any canine threat.
From what Tuner said... I had to walk away from a woman at CHURCH one day because I went to pick my daughter up from Pre-K and Kylie rode with me... we were getting back in the Jeep and an older woman stops and says what a nice looking Pit-bull I have. I had only had for for a couple of weeks and went into the "she's not a pit-bull" explanation, and her response was "well, she's Definitely got some pit-bull in her"... GRRRR!!!!! I wanted to bite that woman!
I hate when people flaunt their ignorance. And for the record, the last 2 dogs that bit me, were a little 8lb yippee-fluffy dog, and a lab.
I hate when people flaunt their ignorance. And for the record, the last 2 dogs that bit me, were a little 8lb yippee-fluffy dog, and a lab.
SMMAssociates
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BRad704:
Obviously it was your fault that you got bit....
Little Sammy,
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although he doesn't show it much in this picture, has a slightly outsized head, and lots of teeth. I doubt if anybody'd mistake him for a Pit, but if he was bigger (this picture is at least four years old - he's five and a half now), and not obviously a JRT, I'm sure some people might wonder....
(Sammy tried to catch a little toad the other morning - at about 0500, of course.... I expect the squirrels who were awake were laughing.)
Regards,
Obviously it was your fault that you got bit....
Little Sammy,
,although he doesn't show it much in this picture, has a slightly outsized head, and lots of teeth. I doubt if anybody'd mistake him for a Pit, but if he was bigger (this picture is at least four years old - he's five and a half now), and not obviously a JRT, I'm sure some people might wonder....
(Sammy tried to catch a little toad the other morning - at about 0500, of course.... I expect the squirrels who were awake were laughing.)
Regards,
DammitBoy
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This thread needs more dog pics;
Roscoe hard at work
Roscoe guarding the front door
Roscoe hard at work
Roscoe guarding the front door
KarenTOC
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This is the dog I mentioned in a previous post - I never let anyone pet her because I never know when she plans on shifting into attack-the-stranger mode.
some of the nicest dogs i know are pit bulls. i don't think there needs to be a ban on the breed. instead, i think we should try to ban crappy owners!
the "what if your dog was attacked" scenario (post #70...i don't know how to "quote" a previous post) reminds me of a situation that occurred almost a year ago.
my wife and i were living in an apartment complex, and i was walking our pug/beagle mix (puggle). he is about 35-40lbs. some girl was walking her boyfriends dog (i found this out later). it was a pit bull that weighed 90lbs...probably more. it was one of the biggest pits i had ever seen. she was walking the dog and talking on the cell at the same time, and really wasn't paying much attention to the (most important) task at hand. her dog started to lunge at mine, and eventually broke free from her grip.
the pit began to try and attack my dog, and i did everything i could to get in between them...putting myself in front of the raging pit. the dog snapped at my dog and got him pretty good. i saw the situation going downhill quickly. he then snapped again and started to clamp down on my dogs shoulder area. i was kicking like crazy, and my dog was trying to retaliate. i started to pull my S&W 5904 from my waistband when the girl finally put down the cell phone and grabbed her dog!
this all happened in a matter of about 20 seconds. it was all very sudden. to this day, that girl has NO IDEA how close she came to carrying that pit bull back to her boyfriend. sometimes i feel bad that i didn't dispatch of the dog that day...
the "what if your dog was attacked" scenario (post #70...i don't know how to "quote" a previous post) reminds me of a situation that occurred almost a year ago.
my wife and i were living in an apartment complex, and i was walking our pug/beagle mix (puggle). he is about 35-40lbs. some girl was walking her boyfriends dog (i found this out later). it was a pit bull that weighed 90lbs...probably more. it was one of the biggest pits i had ever seen. she was walking the dog and talking on the cell at the same time, and really wasn't paying much attention to the (most important) task at hand. her dog started to lunge at mine, and eventually broke free from her grip.
the pit began to try and attack my dog, and i did everything i could to get in between them...putting myself in front of the raging pit. the dog snapped at my dog and got him pretty good. i saw the situation going downhill quickly. he then snapped again and started to clamp down on my dogs shoulder area. i was kicking like crazy, and my dog was trying to retaliate. i started to pull my S&W 5904 from my waistband when the girl finally put down the cell phone and grabbed her dog!
this all happened in a matter of about 20 seconds. it was all very sudden. to this day, that girl has NO IDEA how close she came to carrying that pit bull back to her boyfriend. sometimes i feel bad that i didn't dispatch of the dog that day...
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indykappa:
There's got to be an easier way to include a quote, but if you highlight some or all of the text with your mouse, and then right-click and select "Copy", you can "Paste" it into the reply window. Put {QUOTE}{/QUOTE} around it.... Use square brackets, not the curly ones I used here so you'd see 'em. You can use {QUOTE="some text"} to put the sender's name, for example, onto the page. Put the mouse cursor where you want to paste, and then right-click and select "Paste"....
So, {QUOTE="Sammy"}Send Biscuits!{/QUOTE} will appear as:
About the Pit.... You probably are better off that you didn't shoot the Pit, but it's definitely a "had to be there" situation. Hopefully, the girlfriend figured things out to the point of not letting that happen again. A 90# dog, particularly a Pit, is going to be hard to handle on a leash unless you're paying attention. Sammy, at 23#, isn't easy....
DammitBoy:
As you know, Sammy's got brown highlights instead of black, and he's a "long-leg" variant, but that "hard at work" pose pretty well covers him after about 2100.... Before that, though....
Karen:
She's cute! Too bad about the attack mode 'cause she'd be a kid magnet if nothing else. A cousin of mine used to have a little one like that. Her husband treated it like their #3 kid - never went anywhere without her, etc. Pretty hilarious, but understandable. I'm a sucker for micro-mutts.
Regards,
There's got to be an easier way to include a quote, but if you highlight some or all of the text with your mouse, and then right-click and select "Copy", you can "Paste" it into the reply window. Put {QUOTE}{/QUOTE} around it.... Use square brackets, not the curly ones I used here so you'd see 'em. You can use {QUOTE="some text"} to put the sender's name, for example, onto the page. Put the mouse cursor where you want to paste, and then right-click and select "Paste"....
So, {QUOTE="Sammy"}Send Biscuits!{/QUOTE} will appear as:
Sammy said:
About the Pit.... You probably are better off that you didn't shoot the Pit, but it's definitely a "had to be there" situation. Hopefully, the girlfriend figured things out to the point of not letting that happen again. A 90# dog, particularly a Pit, is going to be hard to handle on a leash unless you're paying attention. Sammy, at 23#, isn't easy....
DammitBoy:
As you know, Sammy's got brown highlights instead of black, and he's a "long-leg" variant, but that "hard at work" pose pretty well covers him after about 2100.... Before that, though....
Karen:
She's cute! Too bad about the attack mode 'cause she'd be a kid magnet if nothing else. A cousin of mine used to have a little one like that. Her husband treated it like their #3 kid - never went anywhere without her, etc. Pretty hilarious, but understandable. I'm a sucker for micro-mutts.
Regards,
chains1240
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That brown and white one is a natural born killing machine, best to put him down before someone gets killed. Ticking time bomb I tell ya! :banghead: Of course I am kidding. Great looking dogs.
Pitbulls are dangerous dogs. Period. Combine that with irresponsible owners, and you get dead babies, dead kids, mauled teachers, castrated toddlers, dead dogs, etc. etc.
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