Military posers and wannabes

[Mumbles_45]

Well I guess my reputation as a gun nut has spread farther than I knew, as some stranger from another platoon saw me in the hallway and started to tell me about his new FN Five seveN and its "Cop Killer" bullets. I let the cop killer bullets comment slide because I didnt really feel like getting into it with him, but then he went on to talk about how he was going to get a full auto P90 from Oregon. I told him whatever he saw in Oregon was most likely the sew Semi Auto FS90 or whatever its called but he insisted that it was full auto. I told him I was pretty sure there were no P90s before May 1986, and the conversation went downhill from there with him telling all sorts of stories about "how back in Pennsylvania it doesnt matter what year a gun was made or registered or anything" and how many of his friends have machine guns. He settled down and dissapeared when I told him I was from PA and that certainly wasnt the case and there was no need to lie to make friends.

 

[MFL Jim McLoud]

hmmm

Especially from another "Eleven Bravo"
Jim - former 11-B 3X

 

[Will Learn]

It's a shame when one's enthusiasm exceeds their knowledge.

 

[IdahoFarmer]

My enthusiasm exceeds my knowledge.

That's not the problem. The problem occurs when one allows their enthusiasm to drive their actions beyond the level that their knowledge supports.

Honesty is king.

 

[Will Learn]

Semantics

 

[mbs357]

Ok...I don't get it.
What's keeping him from buying a Class 3 P90 in Oregon?
There some law I don't know about over there? =/

 

[Hook686]

HATE .. an emotion that will kill you

a lie might be seen as a secondary response to fear, as is hate. I see little difference in these two emotions, where one exists, so does the other.

 

[Diamondback6]

Missing something?

Yeah, they're called GCA'68 and FOPA'86 (Hughes Amendment), and they're FEDERAL laws.

GCA'68: No more imported "non-sporting" guns, especially NFA items. Don't see how NRA can call themselves "pro-gun" and like this POS law at the same time...
->PROBLEM: P90s are not made here in the States IIRC...

Hughes'86: No more non-LEO/military full-autos to be built after 5/86. This is why transferables are so expensive. If NRA were serious about being pro-gun, they'd call for scrapping this piece of raw sewage too...
->PROBLEM: The P90 is at earliest a mid- to late-1990s design. Even if it were made here, it's time alone means no transferables are available...

Hope this clarifies it. Class 3 ownership is a huge chess game, where losing means Club Fed.

 

[mbs357]

WHOOPS
Forgot about all that.
XD
Thanks. =p

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

speaking of liars.....

i had an idiot i bragging to me that he was "10 years Special Forces." when i asked him what group he was with he then said he was a former "Army Ranger."

big difference.......

 

[Nitrogen]

speaking of liars.....

i had an idiot i bragging to me that he was "10 years Special Forces." when i asked him what group he was with he then said he was a former "Army Ranger."

Sounds a lot like my new coworker. He's a "Marine" that was in "Special Operations"
He told me that special operations former officers can have machine guns once they leave the army, as well as "other" firearms that are "secret"

He's also exempt from the "10 round limit" clinton imposed.

I have a hard time believing any Marine that was in Special Operations or whatever they call it would be fatter and in worse shape than I am. (I'm in pretty bad shape) but who knows.

 

[30-06 lover]

I know it can get annoying, but don't let it get to you too much. The good thing about liars is that they always lie, so they are easy to distinguish and then stay away from.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I was in a bar one morning when a guy claimed to be in "Marine Special Forces" during Vietman. I asked him "you mean Force Recon" he said no, a Marine Green Baret. Funny, when pressed by others in the bar he didn't even know what an MOS was. To make a long story short, he was asked to leave the bar for pissing off many of the real military veterans.

 

[Lebben-B]

Even on active duty you get those types, as Mumbles pointed out in his lead post. Pretty sad. But it's fun to catch these jokers in a lie and watch/listen to all the verbal gymnastics. Even better is when they wear unauthorized badges/tabs. That's UCMJ action. I don't suffer fools lightly, but I do so enjoy watching fools suffer.

And Mumbles - you're not a gun nut. You're a firearms enthusiast, which all good 11B's should be.

Mike

 

[USMCRotrHed]

When I was "in", it was all too common to meet someone in the bar who claimed to a Marine with the 82nd airborne or something stupid like that. I'd usually try to get them to buy me a beer "since we were buddies" and then ignore them the rest of the time.

 

[redneck2]

Basic question from a non-vet. Why are Army Rangers not considered SF?? I thought they were. Dunno. Level of training maybe??

My son-in-law was a Ranger but I've never asked him.

 

[Lebben-B]

Why are Army Rangers not considered SF??

It's all in the usage of the term "Special Forces." Ranger Battalions are considered Special Operations Forces. To use the term "Special Forces" is to refer only to the Green Berets. Admittedly, civilian media tends not to make the distinction and lumps anybody wearing a maroon, green, or tan beret as "Special Forces."

Mike

 

[Limeyfellow]

There was actually a full auto p90 at the last gunshow I went too. Got to handle it too. Lots of the semi automatic copies too. Costs way more than I am willing to pay for them. That and my wife had ahold of my wallet with all the money in thereby stopping me buying another fal. A true tragedy!

 

[Offwhite]

I love it when people get caught in a lie & just keep digging the grave deeper & deeper. There are 3 things I don't do:
1.I don't piss into the wind (figuratively or literally)
2.I don’t kiss strippers in the mouth
3.I don't lie-if you always tell the truth from the beginning you never have to worry about keeping up with different stories.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

Whenever I get cornered and some moron starts chewing my ear off telling me how he just bought a full auto .44 revolver, or such , I just lay it on right back, and do it with a really stright, serious look. I've been known to brag about the brand new full-auto flux capacitator lazer complete with auto-sight goggles, plasma-grenade launcher, ionic ray beam, a morph button that enables me to change into a lion, a walkie talkie, first aid kit, and compass; and that I need this to be prepared for the invasion from the planet PhossPhatour. I suggest you try it Mumbles. You may get a really wierd look, but he'll leave you alone after if you make it sound genuine.

 

[Justin]

Careful. If you try to out-crazy someone who's a natural at the game, you might just end up with a new "pal."

 

[Nitrogen]

Whenever I get cornered and some moron starts chewing my ear off telling me how he just bought a full auto .44 revolver, or such , I just lay it on right back, and do it with a really stright, serious look. I've been known to brag about the brand new full-auto flux capacitator lazer complete with auto-sight goggles, plasma-grenade launcher, ionic ray beam, a morph button that enables me to change into a lion, a walkie talkie, first aid kit, and compass; and that I need this to be prepared for the invasion from the planet PhossPhatour. I suggest you try it Mumbles. You may get a really wierd look, but he'll leave you alone after if you make it sound genuine.

This is the coolest thing I ever read. I'll have to remember this when the "special operations" guy who sits behind me starts up again.

Or I could mention how I spent time on the SWAT team.
I really was on a SWAT team: not the police kind, but a team of network and server engineers that flew around the country deploying and fixing technology for a company I used to work for. We were called "The SWAT guys by upper management.

In reality, I'm just a guy with too many health problems to make it into the services, but that's the truth; it doesn't sound as good at the office.

 

[sterling180]

Well here is one to make you laugh

Some idiot that I had the misfortune of knowing and went to school with,claimed he had fired a Glock 17 and a Desert Eagle.My ears pricked up,because firearms in the UK,is a unpopular topic to discuss and I asked him about the licensing proceedures,club name,range officers name,allowed ammo,zeroing time etc-and guess what he couldn't give me a straight answer,because there were pauses and umms and arrs,etc,etc.

He also said that a Desert Eagle was a 9mm pistol and was not chambered in.357,.44 magnum or a .50AE,because I was considered wrong to have mentioned the other calibres and he was right-even though I showed him a picture of a Desert Eagle handgun.He called a Smith and Wesson:"A Smith and Western and claimed that his Dad was in the SAS and had a SOCOM,that fired exploding-bullets and had 9mm parabellum exploding bullets under his bed.

A FAMAS assault-rifle was not a real gun,despite the fact that it was the French armed-forces current service-rifle.

His dad apparently fired an exploding bullet at the garden shed and it blewup the doors.I think that he has been watching too much of,"Lethal Weapon 3.

To all of you folks that play computer games as well,this guy claimed that the members of Umbrellas Special forces-that killed Dr Birkin-In Resident Evil 2-were armed with Uzi's and not with Heckler and Koch 9mm smgs.

 

[Deanimator]

My favorite lie is the one that 1/2 the anti-gunners in usenet start out with:

"I'm a gun owner, but..."

They then with or without prompting, proceed to recite some portion of the catalog section of the "Guns & Ammo Annual"... if they're not too lazy, which is most of the time. Usually, they'll start babbling about their grandfather's "8ga. semi-auto shotgun that he used in WWI". You demonstrate that they're liars, and it's all downhill from there. I specialize in slapping these types around in usenet. I keep all of my firearms references in a bookcase close to the computer for just that purpose. The ignorant I try to educate. The dishonest I humiliate without mercy.

 

[phoglund]

Liers are one of my definate pet peeves. Absolutely detest the breed. I've been fortunate enough not to run into any of these "Special Forces" braggarts but I do have a suggestion for those who do. Next time one of these guys start bragging how tough a soldier they were just look them up a down, bat your eyes at them and say, "I think soldiers are sooo sexy!"