so you shot a dog.. now what?

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But didnt the shelter most likely just euthanize the dog anyway?
Actually no it was a beautiful Yellow Lab looking dog that was adopted out pretty soon.

As for the other questions
I said I did it once I ain't the crazy dog guy.
I have found homes a couple of other times, one was a full Yorkie, another a Pekingese. (see a pattern yet)

Other times I pretended not to notice or just felt bad about it.

If I lived where this was common and had livestock to protect I would see no wrong in shooting them if they were IDed as a nuisance .

A puppy running up to cars looking for it's owner would get picked up a mangy old untrusting looking dog would probably be shot
 
Actually no it was a beautiful Yellow Lab looking dog that was adopted out pretty soon.

As long as we're on the story of good endings to dogs that have (former) owners that are unwilling or unable to take care of them, here's one (three actually)

The newest member of our family is an eight year old cow dog who's owner is in an assisted living with terminal cancer. His daughter is providing us food and vet fees for the dog as a "foster dog". Maybe he can give my not so well behaved younger dogs guidance. He had been living in a fenced back yard, and I think he's elated to have a whole ten acres to run.

The last stray that showed up here was a full blood beagle. I gave him away to a guy that sold him - only to find out later that his owner was a semi-abandoner - he'd left him at a neighbor's for "a week" and two months later hadn't showed to pick up his dog - when the poor beast broke his tether he must have figured out that softies live here:D I will go to the trouble of getting a breed dog that is friendly to a shelter, or to another owner, despite my past experience, because I know they'll be unlikely to be euthanized. I didn't feel responsible though to go out of my way to get this particular dog back to this particular owner, because he'll likely go to an owner that is more responsible.

Our second latest pooch was a dumped dog. She's a real pain in the rear -just like all puppies. But she's sweet and affectionate and at aproximately 8 months weighs about 70 lbs. She's already eating more than my shepherd/rott did. Here she is when we got her (we're guessing 12 weeks and 25 pounds).

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Armed Bear says:
But if, in fact, the dog had just happened by and not hurt anything or anyone, the man would have been charged with all the crimes you listed.

Well, that all depends. I'm assuming that because you list your location as San Diego that you would fall under the San Diego county code. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

Let's look at the laws... Section 62.669 RESTRAINT OF DOGS REQUIRED
"Any person owning or having custody or control of a dog shall at all times prevent the dog from being "At Large," and from being in violation of other provisions of law."

Oops! Gee, guess what? If your dog gets loose, *you* are breaking the law.

62.669.1 - "Any person owning or having custody or control of a dog shall at all times prevent the dog from attacking, biting, or otherwise causing injury to any person..."

Oops again! "attacking" is the key word here. If your dog is dead in the street, where it was not supposed to be in the first place, and the person who killed it claims it was attacking them, how do you think that's going to look in court?

Oh look! Another relevant law: 62.676 CAPTURE OF ANIMALS AT LARGE. Check this part out: "The finder of the animal "At Large" shall use reasonable care to preserve it from injury; however, he/she shall not be held liable if the animal dies, escapes or injures itself while he/she is carrying out the provisions of this section."

Shall not be held liable if the animal dies. Get it? "I was trying to pick up this stray dog to protect it from traffic, but it attacked me and I was forced to kill it to protect myself."

So in reality, if you were to let your dog get loose and it ran out into the road and I thought it was going to attack me, and I killed it... you would be breaking the law, and you quite possibly would end up with charges against you. I would be unlikely to be arrested for anything. You would certainly have the right to sue me for damages or somesuch nonsense. But the law is pretty clearly on my side, and a civil judge wouldn't be likely to rule against me unless they thought I was really negligent in the way I handled the situation.

You can wish for whatever you want, but the legal code is pretty clear on who is at fault if a dog is running loose on public property. In case you haven't figure it out yet: it's the owner of the dog, not the person getting attacked by the dog.
 
I heard a story about a big mean great dane threating a whle subdivision. everyone was afraid of it and its drug head owner. Seems it got shot in the head one day and since the shooter was afraid of the owner he took it out to the road and stragically placed it on the road then drove over its head. No one was the wiser.I love dogs too but some are just bad when they threaten me and mine on especially on my property they got to go.
 
If the dog is running around loose and you feel you are in danger, shoot it. Then call the police and animal control. File a complaint against the owner for putting you in danger.

A few years ago a guy in Clackamas county wasn't tying his dog up. It got out and started chasing the neighbors' Clydesdale mare. She spooked. This upset the man's Clydesdale stallion who expressed his displeasure by stomping a mudhole in the dog. The owner called the dog-owner and said "I want you to come pick up your dog. Bring a spatula." Long and short of it was that the dog owner ended up in a lot of legal trouble.
 
I also think there will be differing opinions about shooting stray or wild dogs when you ask people living in rural versus urban areas. People in urban areas don't understand that stray dogs are a danger in rural areas in particular. In an average year, we will have 5 or 6 stray dogs dumped on our land by their former urban owners. What are we supposed to do? Care for them all? If so, I would be covered up in dogs. I guess the city folks don't realize they might as well just shoot the dogs themselves.

It is humane to shoot strays left off by city folks, mangy starving dogs are pitiful. Anyone evil enough to dump them probably did not get them fixed either.

Well, if you shot my dog you'd probably be more concerned about the return fire of 9mm or 7.62 bloc, whichever was handier. But my dogs are either on my fenced property or on a leash at all times. In order to shoot them you'd either be trespassing or mortally stupid to stand in front of me and shoot them.

Duh, who said anything about shooting dogs on private property? Out looking for something to ruffle your feathers or what?:rolleyes:
 
Let's look at the laws... Section 62.669 RESTRAINT OF DOGS REQUIRED
"Any person owning or having custody or control of a dog shall at all times prevent the dog from being "At Large," and from being in violation of other provisions of law."

Oops! Gee, guess what? If your dog gets loose, *you* are breaking the law.
Oops you forgot to post the part of the law thats says being unleashed is a death sentence for the animal instead of a fine for the owner

62.669.1 - "Any person owning or having custody or control of a dog shall at all times prevent the dog from attacking, biting, or otherwise causing injury to any person..."

Oops again! "attacking" is the key word here. If your dog is dead in the street, where it was not supposed to be in the first place, and the person who killed it claims it was attacking them, how do you think that's going to look in court?
Oops again you forgot to read the part of the post that you quoted that says
the dog had just happened by and not hurt anything or anyone,
But you could always lie to get off, criminals do it all the time
Oh look! Another relevant law: 62.676 CAPTURE OF ANIMALS AT LARGE. Check this part out: "The finder of the animal "At Large" shall use reasonable care to preserve it from injury; however, he/she shall not be held liable if the animal dies, escapes or injures itself while he/she is carrying out the provisions of this section."

Shall not be held liable if the animal dies. Get it? "I was trying to pick up this stray dog to protect it from traffic, but it attacked me and I was forced to kill it to protect myself."
Oh look you forgot to take that reading comprehension class. Where does it say that you can purposely cause the animals death and not be held accountable
So in reality, if you were to let your dog get loose and it ran out into the road and I thought it was going to attack me, and I killed it... you would be breaking the law, and you quite possibly would end up with charges against you. I would be unlikely to be arrested for anything.
Could you post the statute that allows one crime to nullify another?
Remember the quote from the comment that you posted
But if, in fact, the dog had just happened by and not hurt anything or anyone,
Which means that if you shoot the dog who is not attacking or causing harm to get off you would have to commit the crime of purgery or providing false information.
Which by your read of the laws would nullify any infractions committed by the owner of the dog
 
Common sense should be used here !

If the neighbors 10 lb. terrier grabs my ankle, I DO NOT shoot it.

If a neighbors 80 lb. Pit Bull acts aggressive I tell the neighbors if the problem isn't solved then "maybe" I shoot.

If you are scared of my 50 lb. basset hound that might snap at you if you bend down to pet her (because she is blind and doesn't know what just touched her) and you shoot her HIDE.
 
Like OLEG says, "Would you bet your life on a can of seasoning?"


The sure cure for a violent life-threatening dog is a nice juicy 230gr Golden Saber.
 
Funny thing, just got myself into one of these situations. 2 weeks ago I adopted a Airedale Terrier from an FL Airedale rescue. Monday night I was taking him for his evening walk, when we walked through the intersection of two streets a GIANT Great Dane came running from around a parked van and without warning jumped on my dog and started biting his neck.

My response? I kicked the dog in the head and unholstered my Glock 32. The dog released my Bosco and he backed off. I told the owners they need to get the dog under control or he was dead ( I was covering the dog with the muzzle, finger outside of trigger guard). The Dane was NOT on a leash so I was technically free to blast his 200lb a__. Tampa has leash laws in effect for this very reason.

That being said I don't want to ever HAVE to shoot anything, especially a dog...I love dogs. BUT, on that same token I will NOT stand by and watch as a dog 2 times as big as mine kills my precious Bosco.

This is also a shameless plug for the new Blackhawk holsters with the button lock. They call it SERPA technology. I bought the holster on Sunday so I could carry my .357 Glock instead of my little Kel-tec .380 while walking my dog. I am so glad I did...I'm sure the Dane would have laughed at a .380 if he were really trying to kill myself or my dog. First night carrying it, using the paddle setup and I had that gun out in no time flat. In fact, I don't actually remember drawing my weapon, everything happened so quickly and fluently. I love the button lock on the holster, I subconsciously used it and have never practiced drawing with it...ever. The beauty is when you depress the button to draw your weapon, your trigger finger is perfectly indexed along the frame of the pistol, right above the trigger guard.

So anyway, enough of that, I asked a cop buddy of mine if I should call animal control and he said that seeing their precious Dane with a .357 pointed at him was worth more than any $30 citation from Animal Control.
 
Shooting a dog on YOUR PROPERTY is a very different matter from shooting a dog on public property or someone else's. Different rules apply. You'd better not shoot a dog off your property unless it's in immediate defense. Folks who go around shooting wandering dogs on the side of the road from their pickups (something I remember from my days in Louisiana) are guilty of reckless endangerment and unlawful discharge of a firearm, not to mention the charges and civil damages for destroying property. DO NOT DO IT. Leave it to the dog catcher or leave it alone and take a fricking pill.

The only exception to this is in certain states such as Alaska you are authorized to kill a loose dog who is harassing wildlife. I've come close to doing this myself when a pack of off-leash dogs were chasing a moose calf around on a trail. I had drawn down on them and yelled at the owners to get them under control. I only wish we could shoot the Malibu hippies who bother the wildlife here ;-)

Shooting a dog on the OWNER'S property is another matter still. If you come on without permission and get bit, you have no right to shoot the animal whatsoever. And as I've said before if I see someone on MY property shooting MY dogs I will blow their head off. I assume anyone trying to kill my dogs while trespassing is about to shoot at me.
 
Our housemate was limping home on her cane some years back when a large Rottweiller started coming for her snarling and growling. She drew but before shooting she yelled "No! Bad Dog! Go home!" The Rott came to a screeching halt and looked confused. "She knows The Words?" It ran off.
 
Often times the best defense is to call their bluff. Running is never a good idea under any circumstances. A good walking stick to deliver a smack to the nose is a lot more effective than a small handgun in most cases. A dog that can keep going with half a dozen 9mm's in him may cower and run off when you smack his nose. Plus I don't like shooting downwards where my feet and legs are.
 
Yes Tellner. I guess that some folks just like the thought of killing something instead of using common sense. Your housemate used her head and instincts instead of a bullet. What a concept. I tip this one to her...:)
Biker
 
This is fairly ugly quoting, but hopefully it's understandable enough.

Okay, Joab. I'll try this one. Please excuse my sloppiness. I went off on a tangent with ArmedBear, but kept the assumption of the original post, which was that you were being attacked. (Oops. My assumption is that there was an attack. It doesn't explicitely state that in the original post. I think that may be where the contention lies.)

From the original post:
"i as wondering what the legalities of the options are if you were walking down your neighborhood street (i was in tacoma) and a pitbull jumped out of the yard and begun to run after you."
"what if i had no way out?"

So, two assumptions to start with. I'm on a city street, and I'm not capable of escaping. Whether I can't get away because I'm tired, or injured, or have a small child with me doesn't really matter. The two essential points, as I saw the original post, were that you were on a public street and not capable of running away.


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Let's look at the laws... Section 62.669 RESTRAINT OF DOGS REQUIRED
"Any person owning or having custody or control of a dog shall at all times prevent the dog from being "At Large," and from being in violation of other provisions of law."

Oops! Gee, guess what? If your dog gets loose, *you* are breaking the law.

Oops you forgot to post the part of the law thats says being unleashed is a death sentence for the animal instead of a fine for the owner

I didn't think that was what I was saying. My point was that ArmedBear seemed to believe that the dog owner was in the right and perfectly justified in letting his dog run free, and that made it my responsibility to know his dog's intentions. I was merely pointing out that the whole reason this situation exists in the first place is because of a failure of the dog owner to control their dog. He tries to put the blame on the person in the street with "If you can't ride faster than a dog... then perhaps you should sell your mountain bike." So he's going to dictate that I don't have a right to be in the street unless I can maintain a certain speed? And then later says "Get educated, or get along down the street." which implies to me, that again he is placing blame on the attacked individual. Apparently people have an obligation to know and study dog psychology.

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62.669.1 - "Any person owning or having custody or control of a dog shall at all times prevent the dog from attacking, biting, or otherwise causing injury to any person..."

Oops again! "attacking" is the key word here. If your dog is dead in the street, where it was not supposed to be in the first place, and the person who killed it claims it was attacking them, how do you think that's going to look in court?

Oops again you forgot to read the part of the post that you quoted that says
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the dog had just happened by and not hurt anything or anyone,

But you could always lie to get off, criminals do it all the time

Actually, I did forget to read it. Now I'm looking at it, and it appears to be about something totally different; the difference between a dog killing livestock, and a dog minding its own business. Neither of which are scenarios posed by the original poster. And neither of which I was talking about.

My point is that when the cop shows up, there is going to be a dead dog in the street, a pissed off owner somewhere, and a person who is claiming that they were attacked by the dog. When this whole mess gets to court, unless there are witnesses or video of the event, it's going to be the word of the owner against the word of the shooter. "My dog has never run after anyone before" isn't going to hold up very well in court when the dead animal is laying in the middle of the street, far away from your property line.

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Oh look! Another relevant law: 62.676 CAPTURE OF ANIMALS AT LARGE. Check this part out: "The finder of the animal "At Large" shall use reasonable care to preserve it from injury; however, he/she shall not be held liable if the animal dies, escapes or injures itself while he/she is carrying out the provisions of this section."

Shall not be held liable if the animal dies. Get it? "I was trying to pick up this stray dog to protect it from traffic, but it attacked me and I was forced to kill it to protect myself."

Oh look you forgot to take that reading comprehension class. Where does it say that you can purposely cause the animals death and not be held accountable

It doesn't there. But if the dog were attacking me, I would be justified in defending myself. Again, see the original post for context. I shouldn't have thrown this in at all, as it's fairly irrelevant. It was a bad point, and I was wrong to put it in.

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So in reality, if you were to let your dog get loose and it ran out into the road and I thought it was going to attack me, and I killed it... you would be breaking the law, and you quite possibly would end up with charges against you. I would be unlikely to be arrested for anything.

Could you post the statute that allows one crime to nullify another?
Remember the quote from the comment that you posted

Could you post the statue that says I can't defend myself from a stray dog that's attacking me? Because I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist.

Which means that if you shoot the dog who is not attacking or causing harm to get off you would have to commit the crime of purgery or providing false information.
Which by your read of the laws would nullify any infractions committed by the owner of the dog

Yes, that would be true. If were were talking about a dog that wasn't causing harm. But I think we're talking about two different things. The original poster doesn't say "then the dog attacks you; what do you do". The original post says that a dog's coming at you, and the title says "so you shot a dog...now what?" I drew a line between those two items, and made the assumption that there was an actual attack. If the dog had turned around and gone home, there would have been no reason to shoot it. Because of the "so you shot a dog" part, I made the assumption that there was an attack. That's totally not clear. So there are two possible scenarios. The dog attacks, or it doesn't. If the dog doesn't attack, then of course you don't have any right to shoot it. If the dog does, then you do. My whole arguement stems from the assumption that the dog actually attacks. If, in fact, we're assuming something difference, then everything I said falls apart and doesn't apply.
 
The comment that you posted as the inspiration for your tangent was
But if, in fact, the dog had just happened by and not hurt anything or anyone, the man would have been charged with all the crimes you listed.
Which was contrary to your defense of attack argument

If you had assumed that there was an attack this quote would have told you that there wasn't in the scenario that you were countering
But if, in fact, the dog had just happened by and not hurt anything or anyone, the man would have been charged with all the crimes you listed.

Your comments that I commented on were direct at the above comment, Which can be deduced by the fact that that is what you highlighted in your response.
So explaining your post by now referencing the original post is confusing.

AB explained that the dog was in no way attacking or menacing and you went on to explain why you thought that you would still have the right to kill the dog and how you could just lie about it if the facts didn't actually play in your favor.
 
I capped the next door, next door neighbors mutt last year. I warned them to keep it on a leash, and out of my yard, but it came on my porch, attacked our dog, and snapped at my daughter and her freind. When I came out the front door it growled at me, and turned back as if to come back up on the porch that is when I shot it twice with a SKS. Neighbor got pissed off, and called cops who offered to give him a ticket for viscious dog. We don't talk anymore, but the new dog stays in his yard, and I don't have to cleanup after it anymore.
 
I'm all against cruelty to animals and against shooting other people's pets, but it is your responsibility to keep it on your property and not let it become my problem.

If a dog just randomly runs up to me and attacks, I'm going to shoot it unless there is an apologetic human chasing after it. People that let their dogs run around feral all the time are doing the dogs a great disservice and putting innocent passersby at great risk.

Even if the dog is friendly and known to everyone, it is only a matter of time before it gets run over, mistaken for a woodchuck or attacked by the local fauna (rabid or not). Seen a lot of wonderful dogs get mangled by trucks or simply "go missing" during hunting season because their owners didnt have the common sense to constrain their whereabouts to within a few hundred meters of their property. If a city dog can survive with a few square feet and a daily walk, a country dog wont go crazy if he has anything less than the louisiana purchase to explore.
 
Jumping in here a few days later, but in most cities there are control laws, leash laws, keep-your-dog-in-your-yard laws. Also, there are some new Breed Specific Legislation laws coming before legislatures around the country. One BSL has been put before Missouri. FYI:

http://www.freewebs.com/bslworkshop/laws.htm
http://www.akc.org/news/sections/legislative_alerts.cfm

Since I live in an unincorporated area in the county, there are no leash laws. In fact, we have no animal (domestic) control whatsoever. Down the road from us there are three or four pits. I think the people breed them, don't know, haven't been interested enough to care. Anyhow, Ed is deathly afraid of them. I, OTOH, know that they are not mean when I approach them. Wouldn't go on the property, however. I know how my big dogs were about such things.

If they were to come on our property in a menacing manner, we could shoot them (never happen) with no recourse. If, however, Ed got spooked by the one while he was weed-eating and he shot it in or around his yard, we could be sued for $500 and lose the suit.

I guess what I am going on about is: It all depends where you live what kind of ramifications there are if you shoot a dog. FWIW: My big dogs disappeared the first day of deer season last year. Too bad I don't know who did it. I don't know where it happened but have a general idea. We are talking about huge dogs who wag and smile when approached. One who couldn't move out of his own way he was so fat and the other who was gimpy. Jeeeesh!

JannE
 
gettin' pretty tired of some of these posters.

I own, and love, four dogs...the smallest of which sits in my lap as I type this.

My dogs, from the smallest 15 pound Schipperke to the largest 85 lb Husky do not roam the neighborhood unleashed. We walk them on-leash and they run in the fenced back yard. None of them has ever attacked another dog or human.

If they were to attack someone else, I would not feign surprise if a lethal response should occur. My dogs protect the house, and that is all.

Likewise, if while out walking on leash, another dog were to attack me or my dogs, I will not hesitate to use lethal force to dispatch such an attack.

I assume responsibility for my dogs and their actions. I will enforce the Golden Rule, and Texas Law will vindicate me as such.

Take responsibility for your actions, the actions of your children, and the actions of your dog. Kind of like the way your parents did...if they were good parents.
 
Sort it out in court - hell, that's murder. Sort that.

Since you ignored the rest of my post, let's review. The only way you can shoot my dogs is if you came onto my property or assaulted me in public, since my dogs are never off leash or off my fenced property. A responsible dog owner takes care of that first. If you did that that would be called justifiable homicide, since you cowboyed off and shot first.

We'll both stand up in court and tell our stories. Oh wait, you're dead. I stand up in court and there's nobody to dispute what i'm saying. That's even assuming the DA feels like trying a losing case. Have a nice day.

Duh, who said anything about shooting dogs on private property? Out looking for something to ruffle your feathers or what?

The important point is that responsible owners don't allow their dogs to roam. The points that addressed the original question followed.

Honestly, the number of "shoot first and ask questions later" responders has me more concerned than any roaming dogs would.
 
Dogs are stupid, some people more so

When my stuburn sister moved out of the city, I adviced her to keep her dog on a leash. "I didn't move into the country to keep my dog chained up" was her answer. Bitch got knocked up, had puppies then hit by car. Dead bitch with no one to feed puppies.

People have to protect their dogs.
 
It happened to me. I shot the neighbor's dog. I had warned him six times or so. Finaly there was no way to avoid the dog in my driveway and on my land by 500 feet The Deputy came out and asked quesions. I put forth ny position that the dog raised hackles, bared teeth, and advanced growling. The nieghborr said "that dog isn't dangerous, he only bit someone one time." The Deputy handed me my ID back and told me to go inside. Deputy then talked to neighbor for some time.

Neighbor hates me. boo hoo

ONLY bit one time???? LOL...sheesh. Hope this guy's had his tubes tied...he surely don't need to reproduce.

I had a similar incidence the other day. Couple of whacked out idiot neighbors have decided to rescue every stray in the county...only they don't want to feed them, keep them fenced, or have them spayed/neutered. We have no leash laws (live in the county) and no animal control folks at all. Finally got fed up with them tearing into the garbage, pissing on my new motorcycle and carport (stinking it up to high heaven in the summer) and growling at me and my family in my own yard. Called the Sheriff's department to see if I could file a nuisance complaint since there was no animal complaint available to me. They sent two squad cars out (musta been a slow day) and I explained what had been going on, and how the neighborhood was going to be eyeball deep in dogs if something weren't done. They asked me to let them talk to the owners before I pressed civil matters, so I did. Since these poor dope head sixties rejects are stoned all the time, seeing the squad cars pull into their drive sent a bunch of illicit substances into their septic system, I'm sure. Long story short, when I came to the "growling at me in my own yard", one Deputy winked at me and said "If you feel threatened by an animal, you are justified in shooting it." Since I have no desire to kill an otherwise healthy animal, I have not pursued that route, nor do I plan to unless it growls and advances. At that point, its time to drop charlie on the pooch. I ain't getting bitten before I take action. I don't have to wait til someone cuts me to defend myself, and I'll be damned if a dog is gonna get preferential treatment over a human.

Upshot? Still no action taken. Will call the Board of Supervisors Monday morning to raise cain there. Might be something they can do, might not. If not, I'll pursue public nuisance charges against the owners.

Mad? Who cares? I have two animals myself, and keep both of them off of other people's property. They can extend me the same courtesy.
 
The only exception to this is in certain states such as Alaska you are authorized to kill a loose dog who is harassing wildlife. I've come close to doing this myself when a pack of off-leash dogs were chasing a moose calf around on a trail. I had drawn down on them and yelled at the owners to get them under control. I only wish we could shoot the Malibu hippies who bother the wildlife here ;-)

In the state of Mississippi, one is justified and perfectly within their legal rights to shoot dogs who are harassing or harming their livestock. We had a state representative who did just that to six large dogs who were trying to chase down a calf he owned.
 
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