so you shot a dog.. now what?

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One more thing I forgot to mention to the bag...

The laws in GA concerning discharging a firearm are all excepted by situations involving self-defense.

You should not have to get rid of your bike because you cannot outride the dog. The owner should get rid of the dog if they cannot be responsible and control it.

I feel bad for the dog that I had to shoot. It has a permanant limp that would have been avoided if her owner was a responsible person.

The irresponsiblity of him with his dogs transfer into other parts of his life as well. He is a convicted felon, deals drugs, has a history of domestic abuse, is believed to be armed (he is a felon), blames everyone but himself for problems, assaulted me, and refuses to be a responsible person. His wife just quit her job because he makes $15k per month dealing drugs. The kids are in private school, they are buying a new Audi with cash, and will be buying a house soon with cash.
 
These dogs have brought the neighborhood together against them. I had to stop several people from chucking antifreeze hotdogs over their fence.
 
I had the following happen to me:
While walking my two Shelties (on leashes) down a local street, someone yells from their yard "you're making a mistake walking your dogs down our street"

They then unchained their pitbull which ran into the street attacking my dogs. I start kicking their dog to get it away from my dogs. The owners wife screams " quit kicking our dog". She runs into the street while I am trying to get her dog away from mine and then screams "he pushed me". Next thing I know is her husband is holding a knife to my throat screaming "you push my wife and I'll kill you >%^&*!. His brother goes behind me and kicks me down. I now have two guys beating me up because I kicked "their" dog and supposedly "pushed" her.

A convicted felon down the street was the only one who gave help that day.
when he came running up the street and those two guys saw his size,the got scared and ran.

Police show up and cite the husband for pulling a knife. (yeah that's all)
Police then told me to not walk past their home while looking for one of my dogs the broke loose and ran away.

I had to talk to the Chief and the Mayor to get them prosecuted for assault and the dog. The only thing in the police report was "altercation" and about the guy pulling a knife. Not one word of threat to kill.
The police wonder why I don't have respect for them.

I now carry openly when I walk my dogs. If it were to happen again,the same as above,I would shoot the attacking dog, make sure the local paper knows about it, and probably sue the owner.
 
You've never heard of the Three S's?

1. Shoot

2. Shovel

3. Shutup

Works for me!

Evidently, the owners can't control their animal. IMHO, they have surrendered their right to own said animal after it's second vicious contact with either human beings, other leashed animals, or livestock. Most jusrisdictions west of the Mississippi river (except for "the land of Fruits and Nuts") would tend to agree. Such an animal is a 'nuisance' as well as a 'threat to the health and safety of the general public'.

Depending upon the responding agency, if the dog, "dissappears" there may be a brief investigation, but not much beyond that. The local constabulary has much bigger fish to fry.

Your best bet is to conceal the animal's carcass to the best of your ability. (If I were you, complete destruction of the remains would be in your best interest).
 
In terms of being very timely to this thread, the local NBC affiliate (KING in Seattle) showed a story about vicious dogs being allowed to run loose and bite people in a local park. The story can be found here: http://www.king5.com/localnews/ Click on 'vicious dogs' in the 'video reports' section in the upper right hand corner.

The video clip tells the story of a man who was attacked twice by the same dogs in the same park on different days. On his second trip to the park, he brought his video camera, and recorded the dogs attacking him and then attacking another couple, while the owner stood by and watched. When the bite victim dialed 911, the owner loaded his dogs in his truck and left the scene. The rest of the story described how Everett (a city of 100,000) has only two animal control officers, and how you are responsible for your own defense against vicious dogs. The story said that using pepper spray was legal, and described means of attempting to ward off an attack by shouting, etc, and how to extricate yourself if bitten.

I suspect that many people, being in the position of the bite victim, may resort to means other than pepper spray in this situation.
 
Hi All-

I'm a fit rider who is "into" both mountainbikes and road bicycles. I might be tempted to accelerate past a menacing dog on my sleek roadbike, but my full-suspension mountainbike is as slow as cold molasses when riding on pavement. Those fat tires turn very slowly on asphalt.

In the instances where a confrontation was imminent after my shouts to GO HOME! and similar, I would likely slug the dog with fist, foot, bicycle pump, pepperspray, or whatever was lying around. As one who loves and absolutely adores dogs, shooting one would be the last resort that I would take if no other techniques worked.

Most suburban mutts will lose interest after receiving a well-placed kick to the ribs. Be careful if you're dealing specifically with attack-trained dogs like Doberman Pinschers, Rottweilers, German Shepards, or similar. They are trained to focus upon the exposed groin or neck when a kick is telegraphed to them.

~ Blue Jays ~
 
In the instances where a confrontation was imminent after my shouts to GO HOME! and similar, I would likely slug the dog with fist, foot, bicycle pump, pepperspray, or whatever was lying around. As one who loves and absolutely adores dogs, shooting one would be the last resort that I would take if no other techniques worked.

Most suburban mutts will lose interest after receiving a well-placed kick to the ribs. Be careful if you're dealing specifically with attack-trained dogs like Doberman Pinschers, Rottweilers, German Shepards, or similar. They are trained to focus upon the exposed groin or neck when a kick is telegraphed to them.
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Only problem with that advice is that once a dog is close enough to slug with fist, foot, or bicycle pump, is that you have now placed yourself within range of his deadly weapons, namely his teeth. I love dogs too, but not as much as human beings. I am NOT going to let a human being weilding a club, knife or other deadly weapon within striking distance of me. Period. I am certainly NOT going to afford a dog more consideration than I would a human being.

As to ascertaining whether a dog has been trained in attack teqniques, I'm not sure they are required under the law to present you with their CCW license in the same way that you are required to inform LE of YOUR CCW permit. And being as if you are bitten in even a minor fashion, then rabies treatments are in store for you should the animal get away and not be locatable, I don't think I'll give him that much advantage.

Sure, MOST dogs are easily cowed by a large human who shows no fear and reacts in a menacing fashion, but even among dog "experts" there is much debate as to what the best way to avoid being bitten is. I've seen numerous dog "experts" warn to NEVER show aggression in return, to NEVER look the animal in the eye as they take this as a challenge. OTOH, I've stomped my feet at them and taken a couple of menacing steps in their direction, and in most instances this has been sufficient. That being said, as someone pointed out earlier, more deaths result from dog maulings in this country every year than from spider, snake, bear and shark attacks combined. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to any dog, but once he crosses into my personal space, he's going to find himself no longer a problem animal. Of course, I am on foot, not on bicycle. When on my motorcycle, I have been known to turn around and chase the offending dog back into his own yard, and sometimes even a few laps around it. These animals have yet to chase me and risk both their lives and my own again.
 
When on my motorcycle, I have been known to turn around and chase the offending dog back into his own yard, and sometimes even a few laps around it. These animals have yet to chase me and risk both their lives and my own again.
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When my dogs have barked at passing horseback riders (from on my own property), I've advised them to do the same thing. It helps break the dog of their interest in horses and helps break the horses of their skittishness of barking dogs. Horses don't seem to mind dogs that they are facing head on, it's the one's back over their shoulder that they can't quite get a look at that make them nervous. Dogs and horses typically don't mix well. I know of one rottweiler that went to meet his maker after a single lazy kick from a small horse.
 
I hope that I don't seem heartless but,

I have a neutral stand on animals. I have 3 cats, and if one of them either went "feral", or otherwise became a danger to myself and/or others, I would NOT hesitate to terminate its existence.

We have dog lovers on this Forum. That is nice, but one must remember; the are animals! No matter haow many ways we attempt to provide them with human attributes, (anthropomorphism) as human beings we must realize that they are just that... animals. They are still lesser beings! While they deserve respect and protection (as do all living things) they are still creatures that possess no soul, and are not equal to human beings, whether you like it or not. Welcome to reality.

I stand proudly in the opposition to P.E.T.A.

Scott
 
Well gunfan, I don't claim to know much about the soul thing - other than the fact that I'm a big fan of James Brown - but how can you claim to know that animals have no soul?
Biker
 
Posted by "Gunfan"

"We have dog lovers on this Forum. That is nice, but one must remember; the are animals! No matter haow many ways we attempt to provide them with human attributes, (anthropomorphism) as human beings we must realize that they are just that... animals. They are still lesser beings! While they deserve respect and protection (as do all living things) they are still creatures that possess no soul, and are not equal to human beings, whether you like it or not. Welcome to reality".

One must realize, there is no such thing as a bad Dog. There are plenty of bad Dog owners. Every bad habit or behavior any Dog may have is taught by the owner. With that being said, the "lesser beings" statement says a lot for the bad Dog owners. "Attempting to provide them with Human attributes" is a definite sign of a bad Dog owner. Some people know nothing, and or, make no attempt to learn about their Dogs. What makes them tick, and how to have a quality ownership, and reliable Dog.

BTW, I'm with "Biker" James Brown is a soul Man!
 
"I have a neutral stand on animals. I have 3 cats, and if one of them either went "feral", or otherwise became a danger to myself and/or others, I would NOT hesitate to terminate its existence.
While they deserve respect and protection (as do all living things) they are still creatures that possess no soul, and are not equal to human beings, whether you like it or not. Welcome to reality.

I stand proudly in the opposition to P.E.T.A.

Scott"
Scott-
In my eyes, that's not a "neutral" stand. That's a reasonable stand, in favor of animals. You are willing to live with them, and even feed and care for those that win your favor. Those that refuse your favor (feral/dangerous), are not tolerated. I would think many people on this board would say that's much the way people who are feral or dangerous should be treated.

As far as possession of a soul, of course, many will point out that's your belief system. Doesn't matter to me though- I currently have 4 dogs whom I love, but if they were loose, they are no longer in my control. Someone may have dogs trained to stay on their property (many do), but most dogs, when running loose, are a potential threat, if not to people, then to other animals, restrained or not (dogs on leashes, livestock, etc).

If someone felt that my dog was enough of a threat to shoot it when it is running loose, I would feel it was MY fault, not the person's or my dog's.
 
I'd ring up some of my Filipino friends and we'd have a meal.
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LMAO...

I was thinking the SAME THING!! Actually, I was thinking get a pot of water and make soup.

Sorry, I have no time to read all this but I'm glad I made it to THAT one!

:D
 
Well, I did like the Sheepdog story. That was a great read.:D
 
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Just edit your post and delete the text.

I used to deliver pizzas when I was going to junior college. I don't think I ever met a dog that wasn't happy to see me. :D

That being said, I agree with above, if you are in a public area or your own land, you have no obligation to allow a dog to get close to you or to speak that dogs language. However, you can use some common sense there I am sure. I think most posters on this thread are assuming that.
 
south park, cartmans mom voice ...WHAT WHAT WHAT!?

they are still creatures that possess no soul
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I know for sure my late doggie, Pepper ( a lab rottie mix )
has a soul, I am not afaid of dying because I will get to play with my doggie again.

There is a great episode of the old "Twilight Zone" where the devil tries to fool an old hunter into going into "heaven" without his dog but when he gets to the real heaven he and his dog are allowed in no problem....

maybe your doggie wouldn't be allowed but if pepper aint there to meet me I aint going in there...
 
If there is any justice about who sees heaven, most dogs will be ushered in.

And very few of their owners.

There's even a saying among Muslims - who have a religious aversion to dogs in general - "If all murids (students) were as faithful and loyal as dogs there wouldn't be any need for (religious) teachers."
 
They are still lesser beings! While they deserve respect and protection (as do all living things) they are still creatures that possess no soul, and are not equal to human beings, whether you like it or not. Welcome to reality".
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Dogs can read body language. Some Humans can't read anything. :confused:

90% of all dog attacks are a Humans fault. Either the fault of the Dog's owner, or a poor, or over reaction by the person that's been attacked. (Fear of big Dogs syndrome), sends the wrong message.

I used to take my Rottie bird hunting, until another hunter was going to shoot my dog, just because he's a rottie. Some humans who will not educate them selves in order to overcome their fears, and. or grow a set of balls.

I don't mean to be crude. It's just true.
 
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When I was a kid and rode a bike everywhere I went dogs were always a problem (no body penned them up) so we carried water guns full of ammonia, one shot in the face or eyes and they had a new respect for the skinney kid on the bike. rugerman
 
God, I HATE these threads

Wasn't gonna get involved but I have to....

90% of all dog attacks are a Humans fault. Either the fault of the Dog's owner, or a poor, or over reaction by the person that's been attacked. (Fear of big Dogs syndrome), sends the wrong message.
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Actually, In my extensive experience(which I won't get into here, check all the other dog threads), with training dogs its more like 99%.

Look, just because a dog comes running at you, barking his fool head off, DOES NOT mean you're gonna get bit. There are many reasons dogs do this, but very, very, VERY few will actually attack. If you happen to get the .5% that are determined to bite you, you'll probably get bit anyway. Pepper spray, whacking the dog, or any number of other "acts of aggression" against the dog may get you bit, when you wouldn't have before.

Yes, dogs shouldn't be running loose, but accidents happen. In the 5 years I've lived where I am, I've had a couple get loose. Usually they just stay right around my property(I have several acres). But, in one case 2 went over to visit the neighbor next door who was raking leaves. Neither of these dogs are a problem with people, in fact they went there because there were people about, as they are trained that people are their friends, and like to play! The neighbor proceeded to smack a 120 lb. male German Shepherd in the testicles, to get him to go away. Guess what...he got bit...by a dog that had won numerous obedience awards, and had been around literally THOUSANDS of people, at shows and competitions (I spent $6000 on vet bills for the beating he took). But, its always the dogs fault (or the owners) isn't it.
Of course he tried to sue, but got nothing, as I could line up about 100 Nationally recognized dog trainers that had known the dog since he was a pup. I SHOULD have counter sued, as I had to have a very valuable dog neutered (because of his injuries), that I had been offered $20,000 dollars for. But I'm not like that, it was a bad deal all around, adn S*** happens.

OK, I've put my double layer flame suit on, so fire away.
 
Actually, In my extensive experience(which I won't get into here, check all the other dog threads), with training dogs its more like 99%.
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I agree with 99%. The 90% I had factored is incorrect. My flaw was taking into account the dogs that are discarded because the owners could not handle the dog once the cute puppy novelty has worn off, or they just can't handle the dog at all, and are not willing to figure out how. Therefore, these dogs are often driven to a different location and released. If these dogs are allowed to roam free, some will pack up with other dogs if there around. Others will just revert to their primal survival instincts. These dogs are not hunting for their food though, they will still look to Humans trash to raid, or what ever is found lying around. Such a poor food source, can cause neurological damage, and affect how they react. An example being, if a human is near a trash can that smells good to the dog, he will growl first. Depending on how a person reacts in this situation, can provoke an attack.

The whole problem starts and ends with a Human. We do not live in a third world country. Most every town has some sort of "Animal Control Agency" that deals with stray dogs. As I stated earlier, or in another "Kill Dog thread", report the problem, before it becomes a situation that someone has to face.
 
One must realize, there is no such thing as a bad Dog.

One must realize, there is no such thing as a bad Dog.
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Tell this to my old dog Comet, a Pembrook Welsh Corgy. Sweet guy. Gentle for years. As he got older, he started to nip people. We tried all sorts of things to break him of it. He had started to get painful joints and could not see well. We could speculate all we want why he did it, but he did it. OK on me and two others with bluegenes on, but then he bit my Aunt, drawing blood, then a houseguest I did not know well. That was it. We had to destroy him.

Many would say we gave him two nips too many.
 
Not for sure if this is the best reply, but I keep a good black lab.
Labs are the highest point in dog breeding in my opninion. They are not agressive towards people, and very easily trained. By breeding, they want to be your best freind . Most of the problems that I see are dogs that are aggresive at certain points in their life. Or jerk@#### that keep a breed renowned for their aggresiveness. I live out in the country, If a dog comes up to my house without scaring my cats, running my cows ETC,,, I probably will let him stay and feed him a few meals . If I see a dog raising hackles on me on my own property, I dont care who owns it, the dog is dead. three Esses apply.
 
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