stupid rumor of the day (.223 ammo)?

[distra]

If helps any, I talked with the owner of a local shop and his Federal primer order will not be filled for 6 months. The Sand Box is using up their current run of primers. My guess is the factories will be tooled up for 5.56 and just halt the production of .223 until they fill the .gov orders.

 

[thexrayboy]

Could Big Brother wave a magic wand and make .223 disappear? I suppose, it is a possibility and I am sure that there are a measurable number of commies masquerading as dems who would have no problem with that. The real issue for availability of .223 etc is competition with the sandbox. We are chewing through vast quantities of ammo over there and it is starting to put a crimp in supply for the military. That will have inevitable consequences for civilian supply. Gun store commandos get things wrong more than they get them right. Take everything they say with an enormous helping of salt.

For up to date talk about the milsurp ammo regarding .223/5.56 visit our friends at AR15.com. They are fairly well connected in terms of supply and availability for that caliber.

For NM234....if you are curious about small caliber high velocity terminal ballistics and how they function in terms of lethality visit the ammo oracle.
They can explain things very well for you. www.ammo-oracle.com

 

[Two Cold Soakers]

I heard similar rumblings in February.

Didn't take note of the specifics, but upon purchasing a box (50rd) of match
.223 for use at the range/shop, the guy said there will be no more of this until next autumn.

 

[Tinmancr]

yep

Sounds like bs .223 is a respected varmint/small game round.
Another interesting rumor on the subject is that .223 is not compatible with, 5.56 it's military designation or close cousin supposedly.
I put at least 200 rounds through my mini14, it did not blow up or jam more, the info I got was from wikipedia which I do not trust.
But a gun store clerk warned me about the ammo, I promptly ignored him in childish ignorance but he seemed to be wrong anyway.
It was ancient bulk ball ammo so maybe new stuff is different, also I am aware of many "different" kinds of 5.56 rounds ap, incendiary, tracers.
hmm ArmaLite says the same thing about it being close, sound cool to me though.
http://www.armalite.com/library/techNotes/tnote45.htm
http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html
oops this ground has been covered here already.
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-46621.html

 

[thexrayboy]

.223. and 5.56 nato are very very close dimensionally. The difference is in the pressure generated. 5.56 generally generates higher pressure than commercial .223 and will usually chronograph 200 or more fps faster. The Ruger Mini14 is designed to handle and safely shoot both .223 and 5.56. Most AR recievers are designed for one or the other with most stamped for 5.56. One manufacturer makes a compromise called a Wylde chamber which can easily handle both. Where you can really get your heinie handed to you is shooting milspec 5.56 out of a .223 bolt. The tolerances are less and overpressures can easily damage your gun. If you are really interested in the actual differences between these two very similar but not identical loadings visit the ammo-oracle or AR15.com. These two sights are amont the more definitive and comprehensive regarding this caliber and the guns they were intended for.

 

[Fulcrum of Evil]

"yep, and flying monkies are about to shoot out of my butt."

That's what you get for eating at taco bell...

My local Gander Mountain actually has little signs up in front of the .223 ammo stating that Winchester (and I believe Remington) will not be producing any more .223 this year for commercial use (Gov gets the rest). Maybe that's what he means...

Yeah, 4 years of occupation will do that.

 

[Chui]

The white box M193 is currently made in Israel. The Feds could then ban the importation of it (due to it being classified as an assault rifle cartridge) and we'd then be paying $400 per 1k rounds or more...

"They" can do anything they choose... as long as we sit on our collective arses and not hold them to the oaths they took.

Again.... keep in mind their desire is to have you totally disarmed by their own admission.

 

[BobTheTomato]

Well I am glad wel have only 1 ammo plant for the military in the US (lake city) and I am sure it is a 8 day a week 30 hr day run time.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Cheaper Then Dirt seems to be out of most .223.

Conspiracy? Do they know something?

Or are they just bad at keeping stuff in stock?

 

[Mr White]

My cousin is a gunsmith at a Gander Mountain. I'll call him this evening and see if he's heard anything about this.

 

[qajaq59]

The BS that you hear in gun shops never ceases to amaze.

Amen to that....... Their info is right up there with UFO sightings in Georgia swamps.

And if you HAVE seen a UFO in a Georgia swamp, don't write me, because I don't care. ha ha ha

 

[Man With A Gun]

YOU, my friend, have witnessed one of the GREAT MINDS OF THE 15th CENTURY in action.

Sell the fear.

 

[Seven High]

I am concerned that the dems will treat ammunition the same way that tobacco is treated. Tax the hell out of it and it will no longer be affordable to the average citizen.

 

[NM234]

First off, thank you to everyone for answering my question about the .223 and other low calibers lethality. Also, thank you for the link to the ammo oracle.

Second, I talked about this with my father (about the "ban") and he did help me contact the US rep. for our area (my father has been a lifelong dem, as was his father etc., and its really not that hard to get into contact with your US rep.) and his staff said that to their knowledge gun control is not currently on the Democrats agenda for the party as a whole. Now a year from now that could be a different story (they didn't say that, thats my opinion).

I would say the best explanation is that if we are going through the military's ammo to quickly their could be rationing restrictions as stated above. but like others said a .223 is diff. from a 5.56.

 

[NM234]

well I wouldn't say that tobbacco is out of range for the average citizen, I pay 3.75 a pack and usually smoke 3/4's of a pack a day (I am trying to quit, for health reasons). But that is in NH.

 

[hotpig]

I looked up my Winchester price list for 2007. This was current as os 2-5-07

USA223RF Not availible
USAR1 Not availible
USAR3 Not availible
Q3130A Not availible
Q3269 (Limited supply on hand)

 

[Dr. Dickie]

NM234.
First, believing politicians can get you committed
Though, I am sure that is correct. The Liberals want to ban guns in a bad way, but they are not stupid, they know it is not viable right now.
Second, while $3.75 a pack may seem in range for the average person, the cost of a pack was $0.25 when I was a teen. And MOST of that price increase is from taxes. Taxes that were levied under the idea that it would reduce smoking, and it has.
Something similar for ammunition is just evil enough to be tried.

 

[Im283]

As if my ammo addiction was not already bad enough, now I have to run out and convert all my cash into bullets, great.....

 

[ctdonath]

are they just bad at keeping stuff in stock?

Something about supply being significantly less than demand might have something to do with that, especially when they're in the business of selling stuff.

They exist to sell as much stuff as possible.
They are not in the precious metals investments business.

 

[.cheese.]

Posted by Tinmancr:

Sounds like bs .223 is a respected varmint/small game round.
Another interesting rumor on the subject is that .223 is not compatible with, 5.56 it's military designation or close cousin supposedly.
I put at least 200 rounds through my mini14, it did not blow up or jam more, the info I got was from wikipedia which I do not trust.
But a gun store clerk warned me about the ammo, I promptly ignored him in childish ignorance but he seemed to be wrong anyway.
It was ancient bulk ball ammo so maybe new stuff is different, also I am aware of many "different" kinds of 5.56 rounds ap, incendiary, tracers.
hmm ArmaLite says the same thing about it being close, sound cool to me though.
http://www.armalite.com/library/techNotes/tnote45.htm
http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html
oops this ground has been covered here already.
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i...p/t-46621.html
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Tinmancr - .223 and 5.56 are different.

while I know that the 5.56 will fit in a .223 rifle..... it's not considered safe to do so. Sure, you got away with it..... but it's not a good idea and can lead to major problems.

.223 can go in a 5.56 chambered rifle no problem
5.56 should not go in a .223 chamered rifle unless the manufacturer says it can.

here is more info (you even posted it yourself): http://www.thegunzone.com/556v223.html

 

[win71]

Salesman may have been confused

He may have been thinking about surplus brass sales.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=272207&highlight=scrap+brass

 

[El Tejon]

If it starts out "I heard it in a gun shop" it is incorrect.

It's one of Kirk's Laws of the Internet.