Why it's good (and bad) to be a girl with a gun!

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10) If you give him that cute, pouty look, you husband/boyfriend will probably clean your guns for you after you're done shooting. Even if he didn't go that day!
 
You forgot to mention that you also will have no trouble FINDING at least a boyfriend, if not husband by going shooting. :D

Ladies who like "guy stuff" like golf, hiking, fishing usually have no trouble finding guys who are happy to take them along :)
 
One more advantage--I've talked to several instructors who say girls become better shooters faster than boys.

I've been told that it is because women actually listen to trainers as opposed to guys assuming that they excel with any tool just by a virtue of being guys.

And it was my husband who told me so I tend to agree.

Julie
 
OK, shooting and pregnancy. here goes:

1) loud noises pose no risk to the fetus.

though sound is transmitted well underwater,
sound originating in air is not transmitted well across the interface
from air to water. When scuba diving you hear the boat motor well
regardless where the boat is, but it is not deafening. Further, if a
seaplane lands on the water (even right over you) you can't barely hear
the engine, despite the 'loudness' of the plane engine.

if loud noises could cause deafness in feti, then women couldn't work
as baggage handlers on the ramp, nor in factories where
loud noise exposure is more pronounced and prolonged (8-12 hours
at a time while working a shift) than firing for a few minutes at the firing range.
many pregnant women work in settings where they are required to wear
hearing protection, and their offspring do not become hearing impaired.

2) lead poses a risk to the mom. Anyone who shoots (alot) SHOULD
wear gloves when policing brass (cloth or leather) and cleaning the weapon
(nitrile). However, most of the lead exposure when shooting is NOT from skin contact,
it is from the inhalation of the powder, primer and aerosolized bullet.
lead tranmission across the placenta (to the baby) is nominal ( ie VERY LITTLE).
(feti are different than small kids chewing on window sills with lead based paint)
further, ingestion of food containing heavy metals (say mercury in fish)
MAY THEORETICALLY pose a risk to the fetus! no one knows!

if you shoot indoors (alot) wearing a respirator is a good idea. if you shoot alot
regardless of locale, you should check your lead level regularly (yearly).
if you shoot and you are pregnant, you may continue to shoot.
if you work in a loud factory 8 hours each day, 5 or 6 days per week
please be sure to wear hearing protection, and don't worry about
your baby having hearing loss after pregnancy.

"I don't know nothing about shootin' or fightin' but if it was me, I'd..." Clint Smith
 
Just curious if you have any kids Doc?

I can't imagine taking a chance with something so precious as a baby for something so mundane as a little range time.
 
Another opinion, less soothing than Doc's ~

From http://iweb.tntech.edu/cpardue/pregnant.html

Numerous studies demonstrate that exposure to noise during pregnancy, has been linked to such disorders as miscarriage, intrauterine growth retardation, premature delivery (less than 37 weeks), decreased birth weight, hearing loss in babies and children, altered immune response in the fetus and hypertension during pregnancy (a potentially severe disorder). Interestingly, one study showed that a combined exposure to noise and lead seemed to have an increased toxicity, causing heart lesions, which was not observed for either of those agents in isolation. The question again, is "How relevant are the studies to our very specific question?" The answer again, is "We just don't know." Is it something we want to chance?

Lots more info at the link.

pax

She's descended from a long line her mother listened to. -- Gypsy Rose Lee
 
TO PENDRAGON:

yes, twin boys, they are five.
yes, i take umbrage to your inference.

to anyone else who cares:

you know, i can be wrong about firearms, alot, and it doesn't matter.
however, i know ALOT about pregnancy, birth, medicine and womens health.
and i really can't be wrong in those areas
do you really want to argue with me about these topics?

endangering pregnant women and their unborn infants
is anathema and antethetical to my existance.
I AM the one person who has to cut through all the
garbage which is told to pregnant women
and tell them what ACTUALLY poses a risk to their fetus.

Please believe whatever you would like.
Please feel free to abstain from shooting while pregnant.
But in answer to the original question as to whether
women who are pregnant can shoot,
the answer is 'yes'.

you really don't need to read the rest, because the rest
is just the rantings of 'some guy on this gun board on the internet'

Dr. Heiskell is an acquaintance of mine and an "expert" about alot of stuff.
He is an ER physician and more into the tactical world. He is not a researcher.
He is not an OB nor does he have to tell pregnant women every day
what may or may not pose a risk to their fetus.

If you read the OPINION of the authors they state that there is NO EVIDENCE
as to the impact of loud noises on the fetus. And the "experts" they cite
have differing OPINIONS. In the EEC they have noise limits for pregnant
women. That's great! Mom also gets a year off after the delivery in Sweden!
Just so you know, in the Scandanavian countries OB's routinely reccommend sauna to
their pregnant patients BUT IN THE USA WE ADVISE AGAINST IT!!
One cultural conclusion/recommendation is neither DATA nor FACT; just more
opinion.

As to lead, more conjecture and opinion.
We know Heavy metals are dangerous, especially to kids and to feti;
BUT the data comes from mercury exposure to pregnant women who
worked in hat factories around 1900. Unfortunately,
there is NO DATA from which to draw conclusions regarding the actual exposure
to a fetus if mom SHOOTS GUNS. It's neither equivalent, nor can it be
acurately extrapolated.

If mom shoots. She already has lead in her system.
And the fetus will be exposed to lead during the pregnancy.
Even if she does not shoot when pregnant!
(Metals are not 'cleared' from the body.)

FWIW, the quote above is an utter fabrication,
loud noises do not cause any bad effects including:

miscarriage, intrauterine growth retardation, premature delivery (less than 37 weeks), decreased birth weight, hearing loss in babies and children, altered immune response in the fetus and hypertension during pregnancy (a potentially severe disorder)

just so you know lots of activities are incorrectly blamed for bad occurances:
powerlines cause cancer, for example. and even if one person were to be born
deaf who's mom worked in a loud environment doesn't mean the loud
environment caused deafness (anedote does not equal causality).

And since you brought it up:

25% of all human pregnancies which reach 6+ weeks miscarry.
85% of them are because of genetic defects which are
incompatible with life the rest we don't know why.
75% of women who have a positive pregnancy test on day 32 of the menstrual
cycle miscarry!! most before they even know they are pregnant.

50% intrauterine growth retardation occurs because of smoking, drug use, placental
problems and infections in mom, the rest we don't know why.

33% of premature labor happens because of smoking, drug use, placental
problems and infections in mom, the rest we don't know why.

no one knows why some babies have premature delivery
(which means before 36 or 34 weeks, because delivery after
36 weeks is not stopped and is considered of no concern in a spontaneous labor).

except for the occurance of infections
(particularly due to the exanthema of childhood: measles, rubella, et al and herpes)
no one know why kids are born blind or deaf.

i don't even know what an "altered immune system" really means so I can't tell
you what may cause it, but if it was a disease, that would be different.


these are all bad things, BUT
sometimes bad things just happen and
no one and nothing is to blame!!
humans are not machines which
easily lend themselves to causal relationships.

The chemicals inhaled at the nail salon (xylenes) are MORE dangerous
than lead, but women who are pregnant are want to give
up visits to the salon, and often refuse to believe that there
could be a risk from an activity which they desire to persue.

PS: how come no one fills out the profile and actually admits to a profession...
 
Doc said:please believe whatever you would like.
Please feel free to abstain from shooting while pregnant.
But in answer to the original question as to whether
women who are pregnant can shoot,
the answer is 'yes'.

Doc,

Careful here. This is like argueing with the guys that swear up and down that using Reloaded ammo for Self defence is a probelm.

Can't argue with a religion.
 
i could go on and on.

pregnant women see NO RISK in the usual activities
which they desire to perform:
coloring their hair, getting their nails done,
house cleaning with chemicals, painting the baby's room,
heavy lifting, driving a car, SMOKING...

but shooting, that's bad...

all of life is risk taking.
calculating the risks and assuming them is what we do
in order to live day to day.

loud noises pose no risk to the fetus

there is no data to refute that point.
furthermore, there is a myriad of anedote in this country
where pregnant women are exposed to lots of noise
without adverse outcome.

lead poses a risk to the mom...most of the lead exposure
when shooting is...from the inhalation...lead tranmission across the placenta (to the baby) is nominal...if you shoot indoors (alot) wearing a respirator is a good idea...

if you are concerned about lead exposure while shooting
(pregnant or not) you should wear a respirator.

I AM the one person who has to cut through all the
garbage which is told to pregnant women
and tell them what ACTUALLY poses a risk to their fetus.

yep, and unless there are other OB/GYN's lurking out there,
i am the only one at THR who can say that.

there is no scientific reason why pregnant women cannot shoot,
but there are lots of emotional opinions about
why Dr. Stevenson is callous, uncaring and/or wrong.

i wish i wasn't so stupid. it would seem my job is so easy to do,
anyone one can do it. no training, no education, just read a little
on the internet and POOF you are an expert.

just as a little reality check:
how many of you armchair scientists and gynecologists
go to the lawyer with a problem and tell him which court
in which to sue, and which precedents to cite
OR go to the CPA at tax time and TELL him what to
deduct :banghead:
 
Thank you all for your replies. Looks like this thread has been hijacked into a shooting while pregnant thread. On that subject, I suppose we should just listen to each opinion and agree to disagree.

One thing I have always liked about THR is that we all seem to respect differences in opinion, even if we don't always see eye to eye. Let's try to remember that and just get along!

Hmmm... "Trying to always get people to kiss and make up" Good or bad part of being a girl with a gun? :p
 
girlwithagun:

sorry for the hijack,
just trying to answer the question that was posed

i think it's awesome that you shoot
mrs. doc agrees

as far as 'kiss and make up' goes,
nah, i'll just tell someone what's "true" in their world
over their informed opinions and facts...:fire:

remember what Standing Wolf said here on THR:

...a friend of mine is convinced that a handgun
won't shoot through a wall...
He's entitled to believe anything and everything he'd like,
but he's mistaken.
:D
 
Here's one more reason for women to become shooters: latent bullies who like to dominate and push ladies around will avoid you like the plague. Some of these pricks can be Prince Charming while dating, so it's nice to repel them in the early stages.

BTW, there's a strong female lead character in my novel.

bookcover.jpg
 
Doc ~

I'm not a doctor and don't pretend to be one; I just posted what looked to my layman's eye to be an interesting link.

What I do know about having babies I know from the other side of the exam table -- I have five healthy sons. With each pregnancy, I went to a different doctor or care provider, with a different level of medical intervention, in five different towns and three different states. My first two sons were born in different hospitals in California. The next was born at home (with a certified midwife) in Arizona, the one after that was born at home (again with a certified midwife) in one town in Washington. The last one, again in Washington, was delivered in a hospital via emergency c-section following a partially abrupted placenta previa at 37 weeks (I wasn't in labor, I had had excellent prenatal care, knew that it would be a c section -- but I woke up in a puddle of blood a week before the section was scheduled). I also had one early, unexplained miscarriage, between sons #1 and #2, which happened in yet another city in California and with yet a different care provider. I always took my pregnancies and health care seriously, and studied the whole thing (I mean really studied real text books, not just read feel-good pamphlets written for weepy pregnant people or nutritional quackery wrapped up as medical advice).

None of which makes me qualified as an OB/GYN! :D

Thanks for taking the time to post the info above. It is a question that comes up fairly often when women get together to shoot, and there really isn't any solid info readily available to the layperson. (You surely aren't going to find advice on shooting while pregnant in the usual don't-worry-honey books written for pregnant people...)

pax

Common sense is in medicine the master workman. -- Peter Latham
 
I can't believe nobody has mentioned dry fire practice. If you don't feel comfortable with shooting while pregnant, dryfire is the way to go. We all could use a little more dry fire practice anyway!
 
The fact of the matter is, it is a good idea to reduce risk factors while pregnant. When there is inconclusive data it is prudent to err on the side of caution. Especially when a life that you are responsible is at stake. This is not irrational. It is behaving responsibly to reduce the risk factors that can easily be removed.

Btw, most women prefer their concerns to be taken seriously, not dismissed as uninformed hysteria.



Also, an advantage to being a girl with a gun is the ability to be a great role model for your children (esp the girls!)

:D
 
Girlwithagun,
To get your thread back on track I'll relate last night's experience with a little background.

About a month ago I bought a S&W model 17-2 made in the 1962 that is in rather good shape. At a recent gun show, I bought a silcone gun sock and a padded gun rug for it. The only gun rug that I could find was for an 8" barreled gun and this is a 6".

Anyway, I go to put this in my range back and it wouldn't fit. It did however fit in my wife's new range bag and she proceded to claim the model 17 as her own!!!!:cuss: There's nothing like having a new purchase 'taken' away by my better half.:banghead:

Instead of taking my new addition, she lent me her range bag for the weekend.:D

-Jim
 
CLBJ said: Btw, most women prefer their concerns to be taken seriously, not dismissed as uninformed hysteria.

The fact that often the concerns ARE uninformed hysteria and the expectation of being taken seriously is still there, holds both women and men back with equal vigor.

This is the essence of true equality.

I will go with a OB/GYN and medical research over a "women concerns".

Btw, Many men prefer their rational reactions to the physical world not be dismissed as lacking concern or emotional empathy.
 
I will go with a OB/GYN and medical research over a "women concerns".
bigjim,

I would go with a wide selection of medical research over the opinion of any one OB/GYN, especially if the medical research is not at all conclusive and the OB/GYN is the type of doctor who will dismiss my informed concerns as womanly hysteria that I shouldn't worry my pretty little head about.

If the research is not conclusive, I'm going to err on the side of caution -- just as I did in avoiding all alcohol while pregnant (research is not conclusive as far as what level of alcohol exposure is safe), just as I did in avoiding having my hair dyed while pregnant (hair dye probably does not cross into the blood stream in amounts sufficient to represent a true concern, but research is not conclusive), just as I did in wearing a high-quality air mask while painting the babies' rooms (realistically, I was in more danger from standing on the ladder than I was from the fumes, but I avoided the fumes and exercised due caution on the ladder).

To be told that such caution is "uninformed hysteria" is offensive -- and if it comes from a doctor, it erases much of the respect I would ordinarily give him as a medical professional. I don't like arrogance, whether it comes from an ordinary male who thinks he is more intelligent or level headed than I am just because he has a wee bit of proud flesh between his legs, or whether it comes from a doctor who refuses to believe that a layperson could possibly have any valid concerns that are not legitimately assuaged by a wave of his hand and a dismissive (and condescending) lecture that doctor knows best.

Anyway, I would very much like to see some valid studies about this, one way or the other. As I said, the topic often comes up when women get together to shoot, and there really do not seem to be any useful data out there, just a lot of opinions and speculation from all sides.

pax

G M: So, Mrs. Smith, do you have any children?
S: Yes, nineteen.
G M: Nineteen! That's a big burden and a big responsibility. Why do you have so mnay children?
S: Well, I love my husband.
G M: Lady, I love my cigar but I take it out of my mouth once in a while.

-- Groucho Marx, on You Bet Your Life
 
It is fun to share a hobby with a spouse. There is less complaining about "so much time at the range", or "so much money for guns" if you are both on the same page!!
 
Bad-you are expected to know what to get hubby/significant other.
-female blissninnys feel threatened by you since all the guys like to hang out with you even if they aren't interested in you.
-guys expect your life to revolve around shooting and guns and no girlie things

Good-When you do get something for hubby/so you can always use it. Thus when you pick it out you pick something you will like too.
-everything hubby/so buys for himself you can take and use too.
-much more respect is given when others find out you like guns(if they are also Pro-gun)
-some guys like to hang out with you just as a friend, fellow RKBA supporter and shooter (and not always just for your body.)

Good or Bad-Lots of guys like you for it. (If you are taken more guys keep coming after you-bad. If you are single you easily find guys and get to pick the best one-good)

I think that's it for now.
 
One more advantage--I've talked to several instructors who say girls become better shooters faster than boys. Dunno if its better fine motor skills, fewer bad habits to undo, or what.

I've been told that it is because women actually listen to trainers as opposed to guys assuming that they excel with any tool just by a virtue of being guys.

As someone who's taken a number of women out shooting for the very first time, I think that it's mostly that "fewer bad habits to undo" part. I don't have to worry so much about them emulating their favorite movie action heroes and doing all that fine Hollywood gun handling. Ditto with the listening-to-training part--they're less worried about performing excellently right off the bat and looking macho so they relax and thusly pick it up faster.
 
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